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  1. Daniel Flores

    Daniel Flores New Member

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    Hey Folks,

    Got an R1 from a buddy and successfully printed out the middle train using MatterControl's Medium & PLA presets. From there, it all went downhill- the tensioner clip broke (managed to print a new one) the four stepper motor cables got ripped out by the case, and I haven't had a successful print. since

    The train on the left is MatterControl with High/PLA settings and the train on the right is Medium again with the Z offset raised a little and temperature down to 205.
     

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  2. Daniel Flores

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    Also, thought I should mention I tried to fix everything as best I could- x, y, & z all move when I ask it to in MC.
    Also, sometimes the extruder doesn't heat up- but an unplug and replug usually fixes it
     
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    Hi Daniel, where are you located ?
     
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  4. Daniel Flores

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    Hey Geof- I'm from Washington DC
     
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    I dont know of a member close by to meet up so we will have to sort ya virtually.

    If power cycling is helping then there is likely an error in the gcode terminal. Can you copy and paste that here (from matter control)
     
    #5 Geof, Mar 3, 2019
  6. Daniel Flores

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    Thanks for the time Geof,
    This is what the first couple lines say:
    ->Communication State: PreparingToPrint

    ->N1 M110 S1*96

    ->Communication State: Printing

    ->N1 M110 S1*9 [9.939]

    <-ok [19.560]

    ->N2 M105*37 [19.561]

    <-X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-1.00 E:53.35 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-1.00 [19.562]

    <-ok [19.563]

    <-ok T:189.0 /0.0 B:49.5 /0.0 T0:189.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0 [19.565]

    <-ok [19.623]

    <-ok [19.623]

    <-ok T:189.0 /0.0 B:49.5 /0.0 T0:189.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0 [19.623]

    ->N3 G21*25 [19.630]

    <-ok [19.636]

    ->N4 M107*33 [19.637]

    <-ok [19.640]

    ->N5 M140 S50*85 [19.641]

    <-ok [19.791]

    ->N6 G4 P1000*90 [19.793]

    <-ok [20.798]

    ->N7 M105*32 [20.799]

    <-ok T:187.9 /0.0 B:49.3 /50.0 T0:187.9 /0.0 @:0 B@:0 [20.807]

    ->N8 G4 P1000*84 [20.918]

    <-ok [21.926]

    ->N9 M105*46 [21.927]

    <-ok T:187.2 /0.0 B:49.2 /50.0 T0:187.2 /0.0 @:0 B@:0 [21.933]

    ->N10 G4 P1000*109 [22.053]

    <-ok [23.056]

    ->N11 M105*23 [23.058]

    <-ok T:186.2 /0.0 B:49.2 /50.0 T0:186.2 /0.0 @:0 B@:0 [23.061]

    ->N12 M104 T0 S210*17 [23.204]

    <-ok [23.208]

    ->N13 M104 T0 S210*16 [23.209]

    <-ok [23.212]

    ->N14 T0*15 [23.213]

    <-echo:Active Extruder: 0 [23.215]

    <-ok [23.219]

    ->N15 G28 X0 Y0 Z0*108 [23.222]

    <-ok [26.031]

    ->N16 M105*16 [26.032]

    <-ok T:183.7 /210.0 B:49.6 /50.0 T0:183.7 /210.0 @:127 B@:127 [26.150]

    ->N17 M114*17 [26.151]

    <-X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-1.00 E:53.35 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-1.00 [26.156]

    <-ok [26.156]

    ->N18 G1 X0 Y0 Z5 F5000*60 [26.158]
     
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    Search through the entire log (save it to disk as a text file if you can -- not a MatterControl user so I am not sure what the options are).
    Then search that file for the word "error" :)
     
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  8. Daniel Flores

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    Hi Mark,

    There were two errors:

    ->N136 M105*35 [129.783]

    <-echo:endstops hit: Z:0.07 [129.783]

    <-Error:Line Number is not Last Line Number+1, Last Line: 135 [129.786]

    <-Resend: 136 [129.787]

    <-ok [129.787]



    And


    ->N10396 M84*1 [782.024]

    <-ok [782.911]

    ->N10397 M105*43 [782.913]

    <-Error:Line Number is not Last Line Number+1, Last Line: 10396 [782.914]

    <-Resend: 10397 [782.915]

    <-ok [782.918]

    ->N10397 M105*4 [782.919]
     
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    That are not really errors per se (OK, yea they are, but they are harmless).
    @Geof was likely hoping for something to jump out :)

    No worries we can still help you figure it out.
     
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    This was from a session where you had a problem?
     
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  11. Daniel Flores

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    I see.. could it be the tensioner clip I printed out?
    It doesn't quite fit in all the way, it sticks out about half an inch, could that be it?

    Are there any tests I could do to make sure the axes are all doing what they need to or that the bed is leveled?
     
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    I've been getting some really bad layering lately in all my test prints as well
     
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    Yes - printing a giraffe, it became layered so I canceled the print.
     
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    Post a picture so I know exactly what you are seeing. If you can't post one directly (I forget how many initial posts you have to make to post a picture*) post a link to a place like imagur/flickr or another site that you can host the picture on.





    * yes that is stupid -- we have moderators after all
     
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    Here are some pictures!
    The first two are the failed giraffe prints 1-3 have the layering, fourth one was okay except his leg came off.

    Next two are the trains... left one is extremely layered, right one is just really sloppy (had one successful print of a train before the tensioner broke)
    fourth picture is close up of the layering

    Fifth pic is the printed tensioner I put in.. not sure if its supposed to stick out like that

    Thanks again for the help!
     

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    Let me point you to some pages that will help you troubleshoot this:

    Visual troubleshooting:
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    https://www.simplify3d.com/support/print-quality-troubleshooting/
    and :
    http://reprap.org/wiki/Print_Troubleshooting_Pictorial_Guide
    and :
    http://support.3dverkstan.se/article/23-a-visual-ultimaker-troubleshooting-guide


    My take is that it is printing way to hot for a start.
    Then there are the layer shifts. Those are usually a loose belt. The specific belt that needs adjusting is whichever axis shifted (X or Y)
     
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    Yup- I have those pages favorited haha. Any recommended temps for PLA on the Robo R1? It defaults to 210 nozzle and 50 bed.
    Also, do you have a recommended Z offset? My printer kept dragging on the bed and I can't quite find a good setting for it.
     
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    210 is probably too hot, but honestly you should run a test tower or a small test print like the DePrime test object and observe what the temperature changes do. I don't normally print over 190-ish for PLA, but every printer and even the spools of material will vary from one to the other on the sweet spot.
     
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    Got it, thanks for the tips.
    I double checked the belt and felt it was pretty loose so I tightened it at the clip a bit so it has a nice twang to it. I also tightened one of the motors down there quite a bit. I haven't been able to do a test print with the new adjustments but I think that should take care of the Y axis.
    Is there anything I can do for the Z axis? at one point the bar was crooked until I turned the lead screw a bit... is there some way to check on it or some screw I should make sure is night and tight?
     
    #19 Daniel Flores, Mar 4, 2019
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    No, the Z axis floats on the nuts attached to the threaded rods and is held in alignment by the smooth rods. There is nothing to tighten there. Just make sure the crossbar looks level and that the Z switches are firmly up against the bottom of it (and closed when the extruder is off of the bed).
     
    #20 mark tomlinson, Mar 5, 2019
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