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Partially Solved Problem extruding with new assembly

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  1. gunsmoke132

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    So my other block had a problem and was covered in pla and I ripped wires trying to clean it off so I decided to get a whole new assembly because everything attached to the block was old. After getting this new block I couldn’t get the old feed tube out so I just cut it out of the old block because I was gonna throw it out anyway. After installing the components I put everything back into its place on my printer. After heating it up and try to run filament there’s no a considerable amount of resistance trying to melt the pla.
     
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    @gunsmoke132 I'm not sure I know what you mean? Can you clarify

     
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    after preheating the print head the pla has resistance as in it feels like it doesn't want to melt fast enough so the extruder starts filing away at the pla
     
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    Did you season the filament? (rub a little canola oil on it)
     
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    yea i tried that but still nothing :(
     
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    OK, so ... maybe the temperature is not high enough on the heater block.
    Try increasing the temperature 10 degrees and then try extruding. The thermistor may be reading inaccurately (perhaps even the wrong type of thermistor is defined in the firmware).
     
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    i didn't even consider that as an option how much resistance are the thermistors by default?
     
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    yeah it doesnt seem to be doing much :(
     
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    The resistance is 100k for most but that is not the question, in Marlin there are a number of thermistor TYPE defined, each with different calibration curves to make the reading accurate. Here is the list of types (the hexagon uses a TYPE 1 by default) from marlin 1.0:



    You need to have the firmware set to match the actual type of the themistor installed or your readings are not accurate.

    //// Temperature sensor settings:
    // -2 is thermocouple with MAX6675 (only for sensor 0)
    // -1 is thermocouple with AD595
    // 0 is not used
    // 1 is 100k thermistor - best choice for EPCOS 100k (4.7k pullup)
    // 2 is 200k thermistor - ATC Semitec 204GT-2 (4.7k pullup)
    // 3 is Mendel-parts thermistor (4.7k pullup)
    // 4 is 10k thermistor !! do not use it for a hotend. It gives bad resolution at high temp. !!
    // 5 is 100K thermistor - ATC Semitec 104GT-2 (Used in ParCan & J-Head) (4.7k pullup)
    // 6 is 100k EPCOS - Not as accurate as table 1 (created using a fluke thermocouple) (4.7k pullup)
    // 7 is 100k Honeywell thermistor 135-104LAG-J01 (4.7k pullup)
    // 71 is 100k Honeywell thermistor 135-104LAF-J01 (4.7k pullup)
    // 8 is 100k 0603 SMD Vishay NTCS0603E3104FXT (4.7k pullup)
    // 9 is 100k GE Sensing AL03006-58.2K-97-G1 (4.7k pullup)
    // 10 is 100k RS thermistor 198-961 (4.7k pullup)
    // 20 is the PT100 circuit found in the Ultimainboard V2.x
    // 60 is 100k Maker's Tool Works Kapton Bed Thermistor
    //
    // 1k ohm pullup tables - This is not normal, you would have to have changed out your 4.7k for 1k
    // (but gives greater accuracy and more stable PID)
    // 51 is 100k thermistor - EPCOS (1k pullup)
    // 52 is 200k thermistor - ATC Semitec 204GT-2 (1k pullup)
    // 55 is 100k thermistor - ATC Semitec 104GT-2 (Used in ParCan & J-Head) (1k pullup)
    //
    // 1047 is Pt1000 with 4k7 pullup
    // 1010 is Pt1000 with 1k pullup (non standard)
    // 147 is Pt100 with 4k7 pullup
    // 110 is Pt100 with 1k pullup (non standard)


    The # defines the type of thermistor.

    This is done by editing this line:

    #define TEMP_SENSOR_0 1 //robo


    So that is now a TYPE 1 (100k thermistor - best choice for EPCOS 100k (4.7k pullup))
    If you don't have an EPCOS compatible thermistor installed then your readings are wrong.
    How "wrong" depends on the actual type you have installed.

    Notice that 1, 5, 6 and others are all 100k -- but not the same thermistor
     
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    As a simple example Hexagon uses a type 1 (100k) and E3D uses a type 5 (100k) so both are 100k and totally different curves. If you have the wrong one installed (compared to what is defined in the firmware) your readings will be wrong.
     

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