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  1. Rigmarol

    Rigmarol Well-Known Member

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    I've had my new Robo 3D R1 plus for about 5 days or so now and am having a great time with it.
    Lots of small issues and a bit of a learning curve on solving them.

    I got some outstanding help from Robo's tech support with my first jam and with a bed leveling issue and now need some info on repairing some broken wires.

    I was trying to clear my second bad jam and managed to break two wires on what I think is called the "hot end".

    I'm not sure where they go.
    Below are 3 pictures to help explain my problem:

    I've set the Robo on it's left side as I'm facing it so you understand the orientation of the photos:
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    As I was messing with what I believe is called the hot end I managed to break these two wires:
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    They broke off and came off in my hand as pieces. Both wires had a short piece of plastic sheath and what looks like heat insulation.
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    I'm sure of where one of the wires came off as a piece of it is still sticking out of the round recess next to the large red wires. I "think" the other came from the same place but seems to have broken off inside the recess.

    My soldering skills are ancient and my eyesight is bad but I have a friend or two who could solder it up for me if I knew exactly how they are supposed to go back on.

    Any help is appreciated.
     
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    Those wires attach to the thermistor.
    It is destroyed :(

    It is a small (really) glass bead that would be on the end where the two wires join.
     
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    Now, that is the bad news.
    The good news is that a new thermistor is cheap :)
    Under warranty contact robo for a replacemenet, but they are not expensive.
    Fragile? Yes,
    Expensive? No.

    Assuming that is the Hexagon hotend (stock) it should be

    EPCOS B57560G104F NTC Thermistor
     
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    Rigmarol Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info.
    I went to the link you provided and there is no picture of it. It also says it's not being made any longer.
    I'll do a google on the part number you gave.
    Thanks.

    Edit to add: And yes this is the stock unit no mods yet.
     
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    Found a picture of one. Simple looking.
    Now, how does one go about removing it and replacing it?
    [​IMG]
     
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    It is removed :)
    I am not sure on the new hexagon exactly how the mount it (they changed it somewhat). It goes into the hole next to the heater core.
     
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    I am not a fan of how Hexagon assembles.

    On most hotends you could use a metalstud thermistor (it looks like a screw) and just screw it in the hole. Those things are the armored tanks of thermstors.. indestructible.

    The hole that it goes into is not threaded on the hexagon.

    You can use a very high-temp epoxy or rtv to hold it in place or.. wrap the heater block with Kapton tape once you install the thermistor. .

    Someone else who has used the new Hex can perhaps come up with a better idea.
     
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    I haven't tried to remove the broken one yet. A light test tug on the little bit of wire still attached resulted in a profound "Hmm" from myself, but otherwise it didn't budge.

    Thanks.
     
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    I think the bit sticking out is just a 'shell' they are using to help hold it in place, but that is honestly a S.W.A.G. since I don't have one to examine.
     
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    Ok, thanks, im sure someone else will chime in soon.
     
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    Geof Volunteer Moderator
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    Hi there. Your thermistor is def toasted. Robo will probably send you a new one if you ask politely since your under warranty. Just tell them it's broke :)

    The thermistor has a set screw on the bottom that holds it in :)
     
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    There is the secret sauce:)
    Thanks !
     
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    Ok, set screw on the bottom... I'll see what I can do with that info. Stand by.
     
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    Found the set screw. Didn't see it before (old eyes I'm afraid) and tugged real good on the remaining wire which promptly broke off.
    Then remembered Mark Tomlinson referred to a "shell". So I took my needle nose and twisted and pulled and out popped this guy:
    [​IMG]

    Nothing left to do but see if can get a new one sent to me under warranty but I'll offer to buy one because it really wasn't "faulty" it was just in the way and I busted it all by myself.
     
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    You refer to Hexagon. Is that a shape or a brand/model? There is nothing "Hexagonal" about the part the Thermister came out of. It was a definate square block. What are you referring to?
     
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    The stock extruder on the Robo is a Hexagon
    It is a brand, you can google it (that is how I figured out which thermistor is uses).

    Other 'styles'are like J-Head (not a brand) or E3D (that is a brand)
     
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    Ok, good info Mark, thanks.
    I've sent in a parts replacement request and we'll see how it goes.
     
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    Good luck. If you can replace it that is a cheap fix.
    You can buy an entire hexagon hotend for somewhere in the ballpark of $35
     
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    Here is a photo of a new thermistor from Robo. Little canister guy that breaks if you don't hold your tongue out just right lol
     

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