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  1. robert albrecht

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    So this is a wierd one. When I go to print its doing something really wierd. (Pictured) it's like its trying to print but not enough plastic is being extruded. I can manually extrude with no problem. I have removed trimmed and reset the filament with no luck. Any ideas? I am trying to print PETG at 245.[​IMG]

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    So if you lift it in the air center of bed, mark 100mm of filament and then tell it to extrude (when hot) 100mm -- how much extrudes?

    It may be as simple as the nozzle too close tot he bed (Z offset incorrect).
     
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    To be honest I am not sure how to test it like you suggested.. what should my z off set be?

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    So move the extruder to the center of the bed, have it in the air -- off the bed.
    Find a reference point for the filament above the extruder... just a reference point -- anything will do. Make a mark ...
    Manually extrude 100mm of filament.
    Measure how far your mark moved from the reference point. If things are working correctly it should be 100 mm :)

    Z offset should be whatever your printer needs to get a first layer like this:

    https://www.printedsolid.com/blogs/news/37035715-get-your-prints-to-stick-check-your-skirt

    It will vary a bit for every printer, but usually it is <1mm.

    If you use the stock version of marlin and you use automatic bed leveling then this is how you adjust it -- edit your slicer to use this as the startup GCode block:

    G28; home printer
    M565 Z-1.0; set Z offset for autoleveling
    G29; run the autoleveling probe of the bed


    The M565 is the offset. If using the -1.0 mm is not right then go up (more negative) or down (less negative) until it looks correct.
    Save that number for your prints :)
     
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    If your extrusion was NOT 100mm then you need to calibrate the extruder. I can point you to a video for that.
     
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    Could I make a mark on one of the side vertical support arms and measure that?

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    If it's makes a difference I am using Astroprint and or Matter Control

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    Also I did have to add a pane of glass because my original printer bed cracked. But that was some time ago. I don't know why that would make a difference all of a sudden.

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    Sorry major Duh moment you want me to mark the actual filament it's self.. if I did this right it looks like it only extracted 75 mm of filament.

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    These are my start commands.[​IMG][​IMG]

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    You can use any fixed point that you can easily find again once the marked part moves
     
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    OK, two things then...

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    Your startup GCode is not really correct for autoleveling on an R1 Beta/R1/R1+

    The code I posted is correct (although you will need to experiment with the Z offset number to find what value works best for your machine). The Z offset is used to account for "slop" in the driver mechanism.

    (2)
    If telling it to extrude 100mm only actually moved it 75mm then you need to fix that :) 25% error is not acceptable for the extruder.

    This is a video that talks about how to do it as well as discussion in the page on how to make the corrections.
    Like Tom I usually just edit the firmware and reload it, but there are alternatives he offers if you want to test that you have it correct before editing the firmware.

    https://toms3d.org/2014/04/06/3d-printing-guides-calibrating-your-extruder/
     
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    Is this something than can just go screwy for no good reason?

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    Well, Robo did not calibrate them from the factory and time and wear can tweak the values somewhat.
    Also different filaments can behave differently, but that is usually a minor difference.

    My gut feeling is that your actual problem is the lack of a Z offset and the nozzle is too close to the bed.
     
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    In Astro do you know how to adjust the z offset?

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