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Solved Printing Problems Following Installing LCD XXL

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  1. Doug Gebhart

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    Ok, so I reattached the base plate and plugged in the ramps fan.
    I then redid the cube and steps. Results are below.
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    It looks better bu obviously there are still issues. Not sure where to go from here.

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  2. Sloan32

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    So just to get it straight this problem started when you started using the LCD screen? Or in other words it worked perfectly before your purchase.
     
  3. Doug Gebhart

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    Correct. I feel like maybe I messed up the z axis when I tilted the printer to install the LCD. Are there steps to calibrate/check them?

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  4. Sloan32

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    Hmmmm not to my knowledge. Maybe try making sure that both the limit switches work so that the auto leveling process is accurate?
     
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    From the pictures, the white filament is a bit hot, but that is because you need to slow it down. Set a minimum time for the layer. Small layers will over heat otherwise. As @Sloan32 mentioned make sure the switches are (a) working and (b) actuating at approximately the same time (they should be close). You can do a paper leveling to make sure that they are close.
     
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    @Doug Gebhart, you are getting closer, don't get sidetracked by tilting the printer or the LCD. Mine lives on it's side more than on its feet and it really has no effect on the print quality. There are some other issues. It is hard to compare all three since you are using different filament colors and different printers. If you want to tackle these one at a time it will be easier.

    Do the steps to calibrate your extruder as outlined in the above linked video, or else you will fight every new type of filament you buy. It is a real time-saver. It also makes sure you are not putting bandaids on big gushing wounds. If you don't start with a level playing field, you will experience countless hours of frustration.

    I am going to focus on the black printer, most of the long time users here do not use MatterControl so even all our help will be limited by lack of knowledge of what MatterControl is really doing, but if I am reading post #15 correctly, first off you are printing too hot for PLA. PLA is the type of filament that the general rule is 'extrude at as cold a temperature as you can,' I would suggest lowering the temperature to about 195°C not the 210°C it is currently set at. I can't see extrusion speed listed in the parameters, but typically it is set at 60 mm/sec or 3600 mm/min depending on the software, I would lower the speed for PLA to about 45 mm/sec or 2700 mm/min until you get good consistent prints. You have the filament specified at 1.75mm was that actual measurement or are you accepting the nominal size as defaulted by MatterControl? Measure it and put in the actual value.

    One special note, the natural color of most plastics is translucent clear, not solid colors. the colorant used in filaments can have a significant effect on how the plastic extrudes, everything from temperature to speed can be affected. This is a big reason why you should really tackle these one printer at a time.

    One last suggestion. look to see if there is a local MakerSpace in your town, go to a group meeting, introduce yourself and then ask for help. Show them the prints and I am sure someone local can also assist.
     
  7. Doug Gebhart

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    BTW, I got frustrated with MatterControl during this process and switched to repetier-host, so you can assume I am using that from here on out. All of my last few prints were sliced with slic3r in repetier-host.
    I am using the default filament width, I didn't measure it.
    What do you recommend for the minimum time per layer? I believe repetier is set to 30 secs.
    Is there a guide to paper leveling anywhere?
    The speed is set to 60 mm/sec.

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    If you are using Slic3r the minimum time is a Slic3r setting not really a Repetier-Host setting. What version of Slic3r are you using? I haven't used Slic3r in a long time, but my settings for speed on PLA were 45 mm/s for perimeters and everything else was a percentage between 80 and 60% of that speed. First layer was at 75% speed. Under cooling it was keep fan always on, 100% speed, disabled for first 2 layers.

    But you realize that none of this will matter if your printer does not push out the correct amount of plastic. There is not much more I can do until you calibrate the extruder.
     
  9. Sloan32

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    Yeah, I agree. Based on the pictures you can't really see a crisp layer hight like you normally would. It looks to me like a heavy case of overexrusion.
     
  10. Doug Gebhart

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    You are right I meant slic3r settings. I will calibrate the extruder if I have time today. I have a holiday party to go to so I might not get to it till Monday. When I do I will try the prints again with 45 mm/sec speed and 195 degrees on the extruder

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  11. Doug Gebhart

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    Ok, I did the calibration, all 3 printers were actually underextruding. Here are the results from the calibration prints. I will post the slic3r settings I used in the post below.

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  12. Doug Gebhart

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    # generated by Slic3r 1.2.9 on Fri Dec 11 11:26:26 2015
    avoid_crossing_perimeters = 0
    bed_shape = 0x0,228x0,228x254,0x254
    bed_temperature = 55
    before_layer_gcode =
    bottom_solid_layers = 3
    bridge_acceleration = 0
    bridge_fan_speed = 100
    bridge_flow_ratio = 1
    bridge_speed = 45
    brim_width = 0
    complete_objects = 0
    cooling = 1
    default_acceleration = 0
    disable_fan_first_layers = 0
    dont_support_bridges = 1
    duplicate_distance = 6
    end_gcode = M104 S0 ; turn off temperature\nG28 X0 ; home X axis\nM84 ; disable motors
    external_fill_pattern = rectilinear
    external_perimeter_extrusion_width = 0
    external_perimeter_speed = 50%
    external_perimeters_first = 0
    extra_perimeters = 1
    extruder_clearance_height = 20
    extruder_clearance_radius = 20
    extruder_offset = 0x0
    extrusion_axis = E
    extrusion_multiplier = 1
    extrusion_width = 0
    fan_always_on = 1
    fan_below_layer_time = 60
    filament_colour = #FFFFFF
    filament_diameter = 1.75
    fill_angle = 45
    fill_density = 20%
    fill_pattern = honeycomb
    first_layer_acceleration = 0
    first_layer_bed_temperature = 55
    first_layer_extrusion_width = 200%
    first_layer_height = 0.3
    first_layer_speed = 50%
    first_layer_temperature = 200
    gap_fill_speed = 15
    gcode_arcs = 0
    gcode_comments = 0
    gcode_flavor = reprap
    infill_acceleration = 0
    infill_every_layers = 1
    infill_extruder = 1
    infill_extrusion_width = 0
    infill_first = 0
    infill_only_where_needed = 0
    infill_overlap = 15%
    infill_speed = 45
    interface_shells = 0
    layer_gcode =
    layer_height = 0.2
    max_fan_speed = 100
    max_print_speed = 80
    max_volumetric_speed = 0
    min_fan_speed = 75
    min_print_speed = 5
    min_skirt_length = 20
    notes =
    nozzle_diameter = 0.4
    octoprint_apikey =
    octoprint_host =
    only_retract_when_crossing_perimeters = 1
    ooze_prevention = 0
    output_filename_format = [input_filename_base].gcode
    overhangs = 1
    perimeter_acceleration = 0
    perimeter_extruder = 1
    perimeter_extrusion_width = 0
    perimeter_speed = 45
    perimeters = 3
    post_process =
    pressure_advance = 0
    raft_layers = 0
    resolution = 0
    retract_before_travel = 2
    retract_layer_change = 1
    retract_length = 1
    retract_length_toolchange = 10
    retract_lift = 0
    retract_restart_extra = 0
    retract_restart_extra_toolchange = 0
    retract_speed = 30
    seam_position = aligned
    skirt_distance = 6
    skirt_height = 1
    skirts = 2
    slowdown_below_layer_time = 30
    small_perimeter_speed = 25%
    solid_infill_below_area = 70
    solid_infill_every_layers = 0
    solid_infill_extruder = 1
    solid_infill_extrusion_width = 0
    solid_infill_speed = 25%
    spiral_vase = 0
    standby_temperature_delta = -5
    start_gcode = G28 X0 Y0 Z0 ; home all axes\n\nG1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle\n\nM92 E753.52 ; set extruder calibration\n\nM109 S[temperature] ; set the extruder temp and wait\n\nG28 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Home Z again in case there was filament on nozzle\n\nG29 ; probe the bed
    support_material = 0
    support_material_angle = 0
    support_material_contact_distance = 0.2
    support_material_enforce_layers = 0
    support_material_extruder = 1
    support_material_extrusion_width = 0
    support_material_interface_extruder = 1
    support_material_interface_layers = 3
    support_material_interface_spacing = 0
    support_material_interface_speed = 100%
    support_material_pattern = pillars
    support_material_spacing = 2.5
    support_material_speed = 45
    support_material_threshold = 0
    temperature = 200
    thin_walls = 1
    threads = 2
    toolchange_gcode =
    top_infill_extrusion_width = 0
    top_solid_infill_speed = 18%
    top_solid_layers = 3
    travel_speed = 130
    use_firmware_retraction = 0
    use_relative_e_distances = 0
    use_volumetric_e = 0
    vibration_limit = 0
    wipe = 0
    xy_size_compensation = 0
    z_offset = 1.1
     
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    http://manual.slic3r.org/expert-mode/cooling

    Slowing Down

    Slic3r can tell the printer to slow down if the estimated layer time is above a certain threshold.

    Care must be taken as the intended effect could be mitigated by the nozzle not moving far enough away from the fresh extrusion, a problem with small, detailed layers. For this reason it is usually recommended to use a fan where possible.


    Set the minimum layer time up and the tops will look far better.
     
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    Alternatively you might could print a bit colder at those layers (not sure Slic3r supports that) -- just a thought.
     
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    Yes Slic3r allows youto change a few parameters based on the layer you are at, so you could drop temps later in the print. @Doug Gebhart I need to get a few things done right now, but I will try to find my old Slic3r settings that I used. I did a lot of printing with Slic3r in the past, so I am sure the setting files are still on my computer. I also used version 1.2.9. For most people they get overwhelmed by the sheer number of settings you can change within Slic3r, it is not for the faint of heart.

    I also bet your eSteps are now closer to 800 instead of the default 723.38
     
  16. Doug Gebhart

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    What would you recommend for the minimum layer time? It is currently set to 30 secs.

    Also, I printed at 200 degrees, because when I did 195, the extruder was stopping occasionally, maybe because it was determined that the temp was too low. In manual mode it sometimes gave an error that said "Stopped cold extrusion" when I tried to manually extrude at 195. Do you think I could set it at 200 for the first layer and then 195 for the rest?
     
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    The stopped cold extrusion warning is a firmware setting. The Robo sometimes comes with 'silly' settings for things like that*

    Slowing it down is easier and your lower layers look fine so just double the minimum layer time until it looks as good at the top as the bottom :)


    *My volcano extrudes PLA as low as 170 with no problems - -the minimum temperature needs to be colder than that on mine.
     
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    Some slicers handle that setting differently. Some will just slow everything down and others will print the layer at normal speed and then move the nozzle away until the time expires...

    Either way it gives the parts fan time to do the deed.
     
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    I haven't used this profile in a long time, but I recall it working very well with eSUN PLA

    This was my goto setting for anything I want to print in draft form, here are the highlights:

    Print Settings
    .25 layers, 3 perimeters, 4 top and bottom layers, 35% 3D Honeycomb infill, a 5 loop skirt 5 mm away, 45 mm/sec, 75% first layer speed. The widths are messed with to get nice smooth layers, you may need to tweak them yourself.

    Filament Settings:
    1.73 mm That was my average measuring about 10 feet, every foot over 5 spools of eSUN PLA I had open at the time, 0.97 Extrusion Multiplier so as not to over-extrude on the bottom and top layers, 195°C extruder, 60° Bed, fan on under 60, slow down at 25.

    Printer Settings:
    Startup GCode
    Code:
    M82  ;Set extruder to absolute mode
    M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature]
    G1 Z30  ;No matter what raise extruder to 30 mm
    M109 S[first_layer_temperature]  ;Wait for extruder heating
    G28  ;Home all axis
    G29  ;Run autolevel routine
    G90  ;Set absolute coordinates
    G1 X5 Y5 Z10 F3000  ;Extruder to the front and off bed
    G92 E0  ;Zero extruder
    M117 [input_filename_base]  ;Display filename 
    End GCode
    Code:
    G1 E-10 F300  ;Retract the filament to release some of the pressure
    M104 S0  ;Turn off extruder
    M140 S0  ;Turn off bed
    G1 X10 Y220 F3000  ;Move bed over & forward
    M84  ;Disable motors
    M117 Done
    Notice there is no Z Offset in my startup code, since I am not using the default Robo firmware I set it and store the value in EEPROM so no need to add it to the slicer settings. Please make appropriate changes for your setup.
     

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  20. Doug Gebhart

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    Ok so I printed 3 40 millimeter cubes. They are fine in the X & Y direction but in the direction they are short they're only about 36 millimeters tall. Other than that they look very good. What can I do to make it so that they come out to the appropriate height? It's not a big deal but it'd be nice to get it correct. I included a photo below.
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