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Shoutbox Archive

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Harry, Mar 4, 2015.

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    Jun 1, 2017 10:00 PM - pclabtech: Daniel... I had the first robo3d printer that used a wood build plate, and desk drawer rails for the guide. My picked it up from their HQ 6/21/2013 and made my first print
    Jun 1, 2017 10:02 PM - pclabtech: If you check Thingiverse, I posted a glass clip that kept the build plate glass from sliding around because their original corner clips didn't cut it.
    Jun 1, 2017 10:04 PM - pclabtech: I also put a terminal strip on the side of the build plate because the movement of the original robo3d printer stressed the wires and broke them.
    Jun 1, 2017 10:04 PM - pclabtech: sorry, but I am not a newbie...
    Jun 2, 2017 5:12 AM - Geof: Daniel, The R2 you remember hearing about frankly isn't the same R2. Remember the cute picture you tag from 2014 :D. Get over it man, not a dual extruder anymore, dual extruder capable.
    Jun 2, 2017 5:36 AM - daniel871: The argument isn't that it should be dual-extruding now, it's that pclabtech claimed they never promised it would be.
    Jun 2, 2017 5:43 AM - Geof: On this
    Jun 2, 2017 5:43 AM - Geof: "revision" of the R2 I dont recall them saying it would come with dual extruders
    Jun 2, 2017 6:02 AM - daniel871: That was a selling point at least through CES2016, and you can still find articles and video interviews about it if you care to Google it. Here is one: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160...inters-filaments-accessories-at-ces-2016.html
    Jun 2, 2017 6:03 AM - Geof: meh?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:04 AM - daniel871: Here is an interview with Braydon where he makes that claim, along with claims that the carriage platform would be (without naming Zmorph) similar to Zmorphs modular machine where you could put paste extruders and other things in it.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:05 AM - Geof: ask them :D
    Jun 2, 2017 6:05 AM - daniel871: It was also a selling point up until just before the kickstarter was fully funded. If you dig back through this Shoutbox's archives you'll see where people got upset about it being removed.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:06 AM - daniel871: Ask them what? Whether they promised it or not? What's the point in that when multiple press releases and interviews are out there showing where they did right up until they changed their mind about it?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:08 AM - daniel871: Sitting there being all "I don't remember that ever being promised" just means you weren't paying attention. My original question was "When did they change their mind about that?" not "Why is that not on the machine?"
    Jun 2, 2017 6:08 AM - WheresWaldo: Who cares?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:09 AM - Geof: LOL :D
    Jun 2, 2017 6:09 AM - WheresWaldo: That is not a question I actually want you to answer, becuase I certainly don't.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:09 AM - Geof: Good morning waldo ! :D
    Jun 2, 2017 6:10 AM - Geof: Looks like you'v'e been busy with the firmware front again!
    Jun 2, 2017 6:10 AM - daniel871: A lot of fairly upset people that posted complaining about it in the Kickstarter campaign and the two big social media outlets Robo has accounts on but doesn't actually pay attention to.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:16 AM - WheresWaldo: I am splitting my time between Marlin 1.1.2 for the R1 series and Marlin 1.0.0 for the small LCD resin printers w/nanoDLP
    Jun 2, 2017 6:18 AM - WheresWaldo: I have been told that UBL with the new menu system is supposed to just work. I will be testing that after I print a couple of things for my nephew.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:20 AM - WheresWaldo: I still haven't printed anything on the KLD printer, I have to order some resin and so far there is no consensus of what works well and what doesn't as well as the fact that most US manufacturers of resin only want to sell you drums of the stuff.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:20 AM - WheresWaldo: So most are sourcing from the EU or Australia.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:21 AM - Geof: My understanding is EU is the kings of resin (no first hand experience)
    Jun 2, 2017 6:22 AM - Geof: I think Mark has tried a few different brands, he may be able to tell you what for sure doesn't work
    Jun 2, 2017 6:22 AM - Geof: I heard rumor the UBL is "fixed" now, but I dont believe it. I tested on my Gmax and it was a nightmare, now they have a released version that works but timid to try it .
    Jun 2, 2017 6:23 AM - WheresWaldo: I think mark built his around a DLP projector, so likely using Daylight cured resin, these new printers use near UV cured resin.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:24 AM - Geof: oh gotya! I think your right! Is one better than the other ?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:24 AM - Geof: (curious)
    Jun 2, 2017 6:28 AM - WheresWaldo: Not really, it is just a matter of formulation and how much and what photo initiators are in the blend. Given enough time under UV all of these resins will continue to cure in daylight, until fully cured. The near UV and UV resins will not gel as quickly in daylight, that's all. Daylight resin is also used on printers using the iPad displays.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:28 AM - daniel871: How hard would it be to calibrate for MakerJuice resins?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:28 AM - daniel871: (first vendor I thought of that supposedly works with the widest range of SLA printers)
    Jun 2, 2017 6:30 AM - WheresWaldo: It is just a matter of printing a small calibration model, they are usually built to expose a single feature with different lengths of time, then you visually inspect to see if detail was lost or the part bloomed (over cure) or it breaks apart (under cure).
    Jun 2, 2017 6:30 AM - daniel871: Here's an example listing. https://makerjuice.com/collections/resins/products/g?variant=19772387523
    Jun 2, 2017 6:31 AM - daniel871: $55/liter seems high, but resins are expensive anyway so I don't have a good point of reference.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:31 AM - WheresWaldo: MakerJuice seems to have fallen a bit out of favor, inconsistent curing and long cure times. A lot of people have moved to FunToDo or Monocure
    Jun 2, 2017 6:31 AM - WheresWaldo: $55.00 per/L plus shipping is about average
    Jun 2, 2017 6:32 AM - WheresWaldo: Monocure has a new formulation that is called RapidCure, it cuts the cure time per layer by a large factor
    Jun 2, 2017 6:33 AM - daniel871: Monocure being in Australian dollars means you save about 25%, but may make that up in shipping.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:33 AM - WheresWaldo: Problem is Monocure is only made in Australia, they ship world wide using DHL but it gets expensive. FTD has a US distributor
    Jun 2, 2017 6:35 AM - WheresWaldo: The second most used consumable is FEP sheets for the flexible vat systems. It can be expensive especially since US makers want to sell rolls of 100's of feet
    Jun 2, 2017 6:35 AM - WheresWaldo: FEP are teflon sheets
    Jun 2, 2017 6:36 AM - WheresWaldo: Again most US buyers are purchasing from the EU, but there is at least one place in the US that sells then in short roll lengths to cut your own to size.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:38 AM - daniel871: Is it held with an adhesive or are you just lining the vat with it?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:40 AM - WheresWaldo: No, the FEP sheet forms the bottom of the VAT. it is very slightly flexible and the cured resin is not supposed to stick, so a lift cycle after curing the layer is supposed to peel it off the FEP while sticking to the build surface or the previously stuck layer. No additional adhesion methods necessary
    Jun 2, 2017 6:40 AM - daniel871: How do you feel about experimenting with the thin teflon sheets used in heat presses when doing sublimation work?
    Jun 2, 2017 6:41 AM - daniel871: They might be less expensive.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:41 AM - WheresWaldo: Every thing is built with a raft. The raft is intentionally overcured so that it sticks to the build surface.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:42 AM - daniel871: Example sheet: https://www.amazon.com/1000-Use-3-P...1&sr=8-3&keywords=teflon+sheet+for+heat+press
    Jun 2, 2017 6:43 AM - daniel871: Those are probably a bit thick, but the related products have some thinner ones.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:44 AM - WheresWaldo: How expensive is it, here is my point of reference, these 5..5" LCD printers use a sheet about 6" x 8", flexvat.com sells 12" wide rolls in 1 foot increments up to 5 feet. A 4 foot length will provide 12 sheets with no waste (8 sq.ft.) that ends up costing about $38 shipped or $3.13 per sheet. The are consumable items but last for a number of prints.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:44 AM - WheresWaldo: I am using FEB film that is .005"/0.125mm thick
    Jun 2, 2017 6:44 AM - WheresWaldo: FEP
    Jun 2, 2017 6:45 AM - WheresWaldo: Most want sheets that are 0.10 - 0.125 mm thickness.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:46 AM - WheresWaldo: Just saw the link, those wont work, the image is projected through the FEP film, look at flexvat.com to see how a vat is assembled.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:47 AM - WheresWaldo: The bottom of the Vat is the FEP film
    Jun 2, 2017 6:51 AM - WheresWaldo: Dan, this is what is needed, but no one needs this much unless they are reselling it https://www.amazon.com/Film-Ultra-P...rd_wg=ZohYw&psc=1&refRID=FYTVRG50Z66AXED2YTJQ
    Jun 2, 2017 6:51 AM - WheresWaldo: AND it is priced too high (gouging even)
    Jun 2, 2017 6:52 AM - Geof: yikes.... everything about sla is just stinkin expensive
    Jun 2, 2017 6:53 AM - WheresWaldo: Yep, but the detail available is incredible.
    Jun 2, 2017 6:54 AM - WheresWaldo: ANd you can print some models that are near impossible with an FDM printer.
    Jun 2, 2017 7:08 AM - Geof: that is true. Defianently a tool to have !
    Jun 2, 2017 7:08 AM - Geof: (T1000 when they release production)
    Jun 2, 2017 12:15 PM - pclabtech: Daniel, you have absolutely no people skills... I will just rest with that statement. Apparently I stepped on your alpha male crank and you resort to calling people idiots, newbies, and the tone of your text indicates you have issues.
    Jun 2, 2017 12:16 PM - pclabtech: I will just leave it alone... sorry for even mentioning anything, it will just get thrown back in my face.
    Jun 2, 2017 12:28 PM - WheresWaldo: PCLABTECH there is an ignore button.
    Jun 2, 2017 1:00 PM - daniel871: It would have been better to edit the posts that started the argument than delete them outright.
    Jun 2, 2017 7:06 PM - sterling baldwin: Anyone in here use Cura?
    Jun 2, 2017 7:07 PM - sterling baldwin: Im trying to import the robo3d R2 profile from their github page but its not working
    Jun 2, 2017 7:07 PM - sterling baldwin: the profile in question
     
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    Jun 3, 2017 8:58 AM - pclabtech: The latest upload of Cura 2.5 has the R2 option, the original 2.5 did not.
    Jun 3, 2017 9:03 AM - WheresWaldo: pclabtech, the direct download from Ultimaker?
     
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    Jun 5, 2017 7:35 AM - pclabtech: No, the one from Robo software for Cura for Robo 2.5 originally didn't have the R2 settings in it, but they corrected that, and now there is a new download / install
    Jun 5, 2017 8:01 AM - WheresWaldo: Thanks for clearing that up.
    Jun 5, 2017 12:22 PM - IBot07: Hi, I got my R2 this weekend and I was wonder if anyone else have found the LED lights to be very dim inside the print area?
    Jun 5, 2017 2:32 PM - pclabtech: They are unfortunately. I bought a $7.99 LED gooseneck USB bendable stick from Costco and plugged it into the front USB port
     
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    Jun 6, 2017 5:36 AM - daniel871: Something like this? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00D...ck+usb+led&dpPl=1&dpID=31pE+NNNfXL&ref=plSrch
    Jun 6, 2017 5:39 AM - IBot07: Ok, thanks
    Jun 6, 2017 9:44 AM - danzca6: Did anyone see Prusa came out with his own slicer software? http://www.prusaprinters.org/prusacontrol-release/
    Jun 6, 2017 9:51 AM - WheresWaldo: Just read the blurb on PrusaControl. If it works on other printers this could be a good addition to the free slicers that are available. We also know Josef loves this stuff, so he is likely going to keep up with features and support on his new slicer.
    Jun 6, 2017 9:52 AM - WheresWaldo: http://prusacontrol.org/
    Jun 6, 2017 9:59 AM - WheresWaldo: Downloaded and installed, no current facility to add a new printer.
    Jun 6, 2017 9:59 AM - WheresWaldo: Now uninstalled.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:03 AM - daniel871: To be fair, the website does say it's only for the Prusa i3 MK2S.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:03 AM - daniel871: Certainly one way to limit the bugs.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:04 AM - daniel871: (I liked the blurbs about people putting unreasonable settings in like layers that are too thin for filled filaments to run well, or running flexibles at extreme speeds)
    Jun 6, 2017 10:07 AM - WheresWaldo: Yep people do exactly that, flex too fast, filled too low, among other stupid combinations. It is good that there are some people out there that want to see things made easier. that is what will eventually drive acceptance in the consumer space.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:25 AM - danzca6: Yeah I'd like to try Sli3er PE on the Robo since it is geared more for an all around slicer for other printers. It's crazy that he is taking on these side projects when moving into this huge factory and trying to get leadtimes down
    Jun 6, 2017 10:27 AM - WheresWaldo: I think Josef must enjoy coding more than building printers.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:28 AM - daniel871: Having PrusaControl is probably a good way to keep things at a baseline for new printer owners that buy the MK2S.
    Jun 6, 2017 10:28 AM - danzca6: agreed and agreed
    Jun 6, 2017 10:28 AM - daniel871: Better than MatterControl, at any rate.
    Jun 6, 2017 11:09 AM - Sean Carson: How have I not seen the shoutbox until now? hello
    Jun 6, 2017 11:23 AM - Geof: Hi Sean
     
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    Jun 7, 2017 at 6:05 AM - Ryan TeGantvoort: Josef already has a badass printer so why not spend some time on creating software!
    Jun 7, 2017 at 6:39 AM - Ryan TeGantvoort: do you suppose he had to buy the rights to that dragon to display it EVERYWHERE!?
    Jun 7, 2017 at 6:52 AM - Geof: No, he gives atribution to the designer :D
    Jun 7, 2017 at 9:43 AM - pclabtech: what dragon?
    Jun 7, 2017 at 10:20 AM - daniel871: Probably the Aria dragon everyone prints.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 10:23 AM - daniel871: Or the Adalinda, both by the same creator and both very popular prints.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM - Geof: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:246198
    Jun 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM - Geof: This one, Prusa uses it as a sample Gcode with his printers.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 1:13 PM - daniel871: Did anybody else get an email about this? https://www.vention.io/
    Jun 7, 2017 at 1:15 PM - daniel871: I bet if you duplicated the hypercube or similar extrusion frame 3d printer builds (as best you could) you'd easily exceed the cost of a Sigma or Ultimaker.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 2:10 PM - Ryan TeGantvoort: I can't believe anyone would use that. If you are going to go through all the work of designing, why wouldnt you build it. It's all 80/20 parts which are readily available at mcmaster
    Jun 7, 2017 at 2:10 PM - Ryan TeGantvoort: Now if you could send them a part and have them design and build, I feel it would make more sense.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 3:22 PM - daniel871: It's just another weird thing I got in my work email. Like the one from our CAD software reseller that sent a big email all excited about being a reseller for the MarkForged Metal X.
    Jun 7, 2017 at 3:32 PM - Ryan TeGantvoort: lol I got the samples from MarkForged too!
     
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    Jun 8, 2017 7:37 AM - Geof: Good Morning All
    Jun 8, 2017 9:59 AM - danzca6: This made me laugh this morning. $450...I think the decimal needs to be moved to the left https://peoria.craigslist.org/ele/6161835356.html
    Jun 8, 2017 10:07 AM - WheresWaldo: Dan don't you want two at that price?
    Jun 8, 2017 10:18 AM - Geof: Danz I can go pick that one up for ya, just wire the money ;)
    Jun 8, 2017 11:12 AM - daniel871: I wonder how they'd react to a bunch of links to the printers that are less than that and which offer many more features than that plywood build does.
    Jun 8, 2017 11:13 AM - daniel871: Also LOL at all of the tangles on that spool in the photo they have up.
    Jun 8, 2017 1:57 PM - pclabtech: You need to remove the "t" from "Morton"
    Jun 8, 2017 2:00 PM - daniel871: Anybody want a Projet 660? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ele/6157314790.html
    Jun 8, 2017 2:03 PM - daniel871: Uh-oh, a MarkForged is already up on Craigslist. https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ele/6157656494.html
    Jun 8, 2017 2:05 PM - daniel871: $5,000 vs. the original $15,000 price tag. Wonder what is broken on it.
    Jun 8, 2017 3:27 PM - JasonSolves: anyone around?
     
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    Jun 9, 2017 at 4:10 PM - JasonSolves: Still no one eh?
    Jun 9, 2017 at 8:31 PM - daniel871: Too busy telling people that Glowforge is going to burn down their house/poison them if tgey are dumb enough to use it in said house.
     
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    Jun 10, 2017 at 1:15 AM - Kilrah: that thing looks neat if the software and capabilities are really as good as it suggests
    Jun 10, 2017 at 5:06 AM - daniel871: They aren't. It is essentially a dressed up $800 laser engraver. No cooling system, no real exhaust filtration, tons of bad marketing that made kickstarter backers thing a laser engraver is safe to use in a home, etc.
     
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    Jun 11, 2017 6:12 PM - jwmueller: Wait I can't use it next to my Kitchen sink and fruit??
    Jun 11, 2017 6:18 PM - jim3Dbot: Mine is there, sets in an appliance garage, pull it out, run exhaust to range hood with Y connection, finally drain to sink...........
    Jun 11, 2017 6:19 PM - jim3Dbot: Oh, be safe & use a ground fault.......
    Jun 11, 2017 6:19 PM - jim3Dbot: LOL
     
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    Jun 13, 2017 3:51 AM - sgomes: Glowforge wasn't on Kickstarter, they did their own crowdfunding. Also, it does have cooling (internal closed loop) and there is an optional air filter you can buy that sits underneath the main unit. No idea if it's any good or not, but it should definitely be safe.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:05 AM - daniel871: It's absolute garbage. Anybody with a real laser engraving/cutting machine will tell you that the internal cooling units are too weak for long-term use and an air filter on the bottom of the unit is a laughable excuse for a safe exhaust measure.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:06 AM - daniel871: What about air-assist to keep the smoke generated while engraving from interfering with the laser path? What about an actual fume extraction system to keep dipshits that run it in their house from getting sick?
    Jun 13, 2017 5:07 AM - daniel871: A filter in the bottom of the machine? Someone forgot that heated air rises when they designed that.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:12 AM - daniel871: The Glowforge with air filter being $5995 is hilarious since the Full Spectrum Laser Muse is $5,000 (and adding a proper fume extractor and cooling system to the Muse brings it up to $7,300).
    Jun 13, 2017 5:13 AM - daniel871: Not even having the option on the Glowforge is what makes it awful.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:15 AM - sgomes: It does have air assist. Also internal.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:15 AM - sgomes: I don't know, I've used proper laser systems before, and you're right, there's usually a lot of very large equipment.
    Jun 13, 2017 5:16 AM - sgomes: That said, I could see it being miniaturised and working properly. Time will tell, I suppose.
     
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    Jun 15, 2017 at 9:53 AM - jbigler1986: Any of the old timers here?
    Jun 15, 2017 at 10:02 AM - daniel871: Sometimes.
    Jun 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM - jbigler1986: Lol. Well that's more than me
    Jun 15, 2017 at 10:34 AM - Schlomo: pfft old timers
    Jun 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM - danzca6: wow...JB made an appearance
    Jun 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM - jbigler1986: I did
    Jun 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM - jbigler1986: Why not
    Jun 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM - jim3Dbot: jbigler1986 daniel871 Schlomo danzca6 all 2015 oldtimers............cool..........
     
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    Jun 19, 2017 6:40 AM - daniel871: Just got an email about Robo being an official printer supported by Mosaic's Palette.
    Jun 19, 2017 6:41 AM - daniel871: So... more overpriced stuff.
    Jun 19, 2017 6:41 AM - daniel871: https://www.mosaicmanufacturing.com...430217129&mc_cid=d002b666f5&mc_eid=b08d0134bf
    Jun 19, 2017 6:47 AM - JeffTheMess: this place still alive?
    Jun 19, 2017 6:47 AM - daniel871: Could probably buy 2 Prusa MK2s with the Multi-material upgrade for the cost of the Palette and any of Robo's printers.
    Jun 19, 2017 6:47 AM - daniel871: It's basically Laura Moon in American Gods.
    Jun 19, 2017 6:48 AM - daniel871: If anyone hasn't been watching that show they really need to go back and binge watch it, it's crazy.
    Jun 19, 2017 6:53 AM - JeffTheMess: good ol' walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/2016-Upg...2034&wl11=online&wl12=919868952&wl13=&veh=sem
    Jun 19, 2017 7:14 AM - danzca6: Anyone see the new Mosaic Palette+? It's $200 cheaper than the original and does multi material. Interesting note...they are also partnered with Robo now.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:15 AM - JeffTheMess: how are the new robos doing anyway, haven't been keeping up
    Jun 19, 2017 7:16 AM - danzca6: mixed reviews on the R2 units
    Jun 19, 2017 7:16 AM - danzca6: Seems shipping is the weak spot
    Jun 19, 2017 7:16 AM - danzca6: lots of damaged ones delivered
    Jun 19, 2017 7:19 AM - danzca6: https://www.mosaicmanufacturing.com/blogs/news/multi-material-printing-with-palette-plus
    Jun 19, 2017 7:19 AM - daniel871: Just posted that about 37 minutes ago.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:20 AM - danzca6: HAHAHA...crap...did see there was activity already this morning
    Jun 19, 2017 7:20 AM - danzca6: last I looked today it was back on Thursday
    Jun 19, 2017 7:21 AM - danzca6: I guess Monday hit my brain harder than I thought
    Jun 19, 2017 7:21 AM - daniel871: Had a difficult time getting awake enough for the commute this morning, myself.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:23 AM - danzca6: your comments about the palette+ are right...it is a huge investment
    Jun 19, 2017 7:23 AM - danzca6: looking at the internal hardware, it's all basic stuff for the most part
    Jun 19, 2017 7:23 AM - danzca6: wish they would go open-source
    Jun 19, 2017 7:24 AM - daniel871: The feeling I get from it is that the approach Josef Prusa took to the same process is going to be more efficient.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:25 AM - daniel871: On the hardware side anyway. The software side looks t be almost the same.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:25 AM - danzca6: good point...would be interesting to see a comparison
    Jun 19, 2017 7:25 AM - danzca6: and at only $299 for the prusa upgrade (given you have an MK2/MK2S) is a better deal
    Jun 19, 2017 7:28 AM - danzca6: though the palette is more versital in that it can switch to other printers
    Jun 19, 2017 7:35 AM - daniel871: Eh. It's still probably cheaper to add the Prusa system to any other printer. Just more work.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:35 AM - daniel871: An Ultimachine Rambo Mini + MMU is still going to be less than $800, you just have more work configuring firmware on whatever frame you put it on.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:36 AM - danzca6: true...I'm sure we will see some folks doing that shortly now that the MMU has been shipping for awhile
    Jun 19, 2017 7:40 AM - daniel871: I'm more interested in the MK42 heat bed knockoff, myself.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:43 AM - daniel871: Well, one that isn't an unmitigated disaster on a crowdfunding site like the one on Indiegogo.
    Jun 19, 2017 7:44 AM - daniel871: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mk42-heated-bed-ultimate-3d-printer-build-plate#/comments
     
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    Jun 20, 2017 at 4:28 AM - JeffTheMess: morning robonauts
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:39 AM - daniel871: Huh. That delta kickstarter company is doing the crowdfunding/pre-ordering thing again with gradually-higher-spec machines. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/873464596/trium-delta-3d-printer-v20?ref=user_menu
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:41 AM - JeffTheMess: is that the one your order?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:42 AM - daniel871: I've got the 1.0 from last year, yes.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:43 AM - daniel871: So they're an actual company that ships, which is something that is a bit sad to have to say when talking about kickstarter campaigns.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:44 AM - JeffTheMess: like....robo
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:44 AM - daniel871: Well, their entire kickstarter/company creation/shipping time was shorter than the C2 campaign, but sure.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:45 AM - daniel871: Here is the chart for their new line of printers. https://emergin.net/comparative-t3dv2-0/
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM - daniel871: Looks like the only real difference is you get better motion hardware, an enclosure and some more bells/whistles.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM - daniel871: Also a 24v system for the highest end version with a 200W bed heater.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM - JeffTheMess: sweet
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM - daniel871: That price tag though.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:47 AM - daniel871: I'll wait to see if they release an "upgrade kit" for the V1 since the frame doesn't appear to have changed much, but I can't afford to back this one.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:48 AM - JeffTheMess: sucks man how many printers you have now?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:48 AM - daniel871: Only 5, but space is limited.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:51 AM - JeffTheMess: bastard :)
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:52 AM - daniel871: Monoprice i3, yard sale DaVinci 1.0 pro that has been hacked to use Repetier, the 1.0 Trium, a Reprap from another yard sale with the old official J-head on it, then the Monoprice Mini Delta when it ships has a place.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:53 AM - daniel871: Hard to pass up a $160 "kickstarter delta killer" machine with the specs that little thing has.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:55 AM - JeffTheMess: well yeah
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:55 AM - daniel871: Here is the description page for the mini delta if you haven't seen it
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:56 AM - daniel871: and the pre-order campaign that got absolutely clobbered.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:57 AM - JeffTheMess: well damn looks pretty good
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:58 AM - daniel871: We may not have a true "HP" or "Canon" for hobby-level 3d printers yet, but Monoprice is making it an awful lot easier for things to eventually get there.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 9:59 AM - daniel871: Assuming any other retailers start seriously looking at and copying their method/model for supporting the machines they sell.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:06 AM - WheresWaldo: Monoprice is a reseller they do reseller things. They do not produce any software or have real support other than a really good return policy. Not everyone could or should follow their business model. Certainly not HP nor Epson nor Canon or any other printer manufacturer.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:11 AM - JeffTheMess: What you think of thr Prusa i3?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:12 AM - daniel871: You missed the part where Monoprice representatives have said their newer printers coming out this year are actually their own designs?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:12 AM - daniel871: Like, try to find the original delta that the Mini Delta is a clone of.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:12 AM - WheresWaldo: Doesn't change anything I wrote.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM - daniel871: What you wrote also applies to Robo, other than the return policy and classifying Monoprice as a reseller.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM - WheresWaldo: And you give them too much credit, Why not join their forum and you can laud them all you want there
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM - WheresWaldo: Oh wait, they don't have a forum.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:14 AM - daniel871: Also applies to most 3d printer manufacturers (regarding creating software)
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:16 AM - daniel871: Same goes for forums. Robo having a forum means jack given how little attention they pay to it.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 10:17 AM - daniel871: Hell, Thomas Sanladerer has a forum.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 12:41 PM - mark tomlinson: And yet questions still get answered in the "community" forum :)
    Jun 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM - daniel871: How many of those answers are provided by actual Robo support staff?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM - WheresWaldo: How many monoprice answers are provided by Monoprice staff. Oh wait, they don't have a forum.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:04 PM - WheresWaldo: They do have a Youtube channel, Oh wait no support there either, it is just marketing shit.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:23 PM - daniel871: They do have a "group" on Facebook, but that's just an endless retread of people asking for the videos showing how to properly level the bed.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:25 PM - daniel871: Also, this exists: http://support.monoprice.com/link/portal/41053/41056/ArticleFolder/50/3D-Printing
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:26 PM - WheresWaldo: Oh how exciting an barely populated knowledge base.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:26 PM - daniel871: Does Robo provide a better one?
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:27 PM - mark tomlinson: The Robo Group on FB is more marketing magic too although I do see and help a few folks who are desperate enough to post there
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:27 PM - WheresWaldo: We aren't talking about Robo, we are talking about your claim that Monoprice is the way others should model their support after. Superior in almost all respects.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:29 PM - daniel871: I didn't say that, if you'll bother to scroll up and actually read what I said.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:30 PM - WheresWaldo: You actually post incomplete statements like much better support 'from a company I can't mention' and other shit like that.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:31 PM - daniel871: I said the machine was much better for the price, not that the support was better.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:31 PM - daniel871: You really need to slow down and read what someone says before you get mad about it.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:32 PM - WheresWaldo: Your memory is so short "There are a lot of good 3d printer companies out there that give great support, but they are also more expensive with one exception I'm not allowed to talk about on these forums."
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:33 PM - WheresWaldo: I am not mad, you don't know a thing about me and mad is not how I would describe my feelings about you.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:33 PM - daniel871: What makes you so sure I was talking about Monoprice there? The Prusa MK2 is less expensive with better support.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:34 PM - daniel871: Also a better machine in general.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:36 PM - daniel871: You sure seem to have invested yourself into arguing with me any time I even tangentially reference a company that does something better than Robo for someone that isn't mad about it.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:38 PM - WheresWaldo: Dan, I don't really care about most of your comments and I rarely respond to any of them. But if your feeling are hurt ....
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM - daniel871: Nah. You're free to put me on ignore if you don't like what I post though.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM - WheresWaldo: Like I said, don't pay much attention, ignore is unnecessary if they simply are so easy to ignore already.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:45 PM - daniel871: Says the guy that couldn't ignore it five hours ago.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:46 PM - WheresWaldo: It takes two
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:49 PM - daniel871: Reminder that I wasn't talking to you when you responded, I was talking to JeffTheMess. If you don't want to argue with me about things, don't butt in when I'm not talking to you.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:53 PM - Geof: Lol this is border line hilarious
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:55 PM - WheresWaldo: Aww that is so ..... what did Geof call it hilarious.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 1:56 PM - daniel871: Just saying. Going "it takes two" when you're the one that started the argument is dumb.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 2:00 PM - Geof: LOL
    Jun 20, 2017 at 2:08 PM - Geof: So whats everyone uo to this fine afternoon :D
    Jun 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM - Printed Solid: lol. I haven't been on in a while, but I guess I come in at an entertaining time.
    Jun 20, 2017 at 5:26 PM - daniel871: Got an email from Amazon about this filament being on sale, if anyone is looking to try another PLA brand. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06X...5+filament&dpPl=1&dpID=51xRE9RZlVL&ref=plSrch
    Jun 20, 2017 at 7:49 PM - mark tomlinson: I love the cheap stuff. Older Robos eat that like candy .. just not my delta. No problems yet from the C2 but honestly have not tried all of the cheap junk yet.
     
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    Jun 21, 2017 4:35 AM - JeffTheMess: morning roboneers
    Jun 21, 2017 6:16 AM - danzca6: Thanks for the link daniel
     
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    Jun 22, 2017 8:41 AM - daniel871: The Maker Select V2 is on sale for $255 with the code "15MAKER" on Monoprice right now.
    Jun 22, 2017 8:41 AM - daniel871: If anyone wants a cheap backup machine.
     
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    Jun 23, 2017 5:53 AM - daniel871: I... I kinda want this. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/814534542/blackbelt-3d-printer
    Jun 23, 2017 5:54 AM - daniel871: Check the time-lapse printing video.
    Jun 23, 2017 5:55 AM - daniel871: That price tag though, holy shit.
    Jun 23, 2017 6:03 AM - daniel871: 340mm x 340mm x ??? build area due to the conveyer belt... Definitely an interesting frame design, but I don't know that it's worth as much as they are asking.
    Jun 23, 2017 8:51 AM - OutsourcedGuru: Dammit, they did my conveyor belt idea (Blackbelt)
    Jun 23, 2017 8:59 AM - daniel871: Already patented it, too, with the bit of searching I've done about it.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:00 AM - daniel871: I'd like to have one, but that's in the neighborhood of "after other things are paid off" money instead of "impulse buy" money.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:03 AM - OutsourcedGuru: I was working up a side-to-side conveyor idea in the C2
    Jun 23, 2017 9:03 AM - OutsourcedGuru: ...pop out those two blue windows
    Jun 23, 2017 9:05 AM - daniel871: The problem with the C2 is that the entire conveyer would have to raise/lower with the bed, and putting that much mass on it defeats the purpose of that kind of design.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:05 AM - daniel871: The stationary "bed" directly underneath the conveyer is the only reason that "blackbelt" works as well as it does in the timelapses.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:07 AM - daniel871: I'm not seeing much that's super complicated hardware-wise on that design, but I bet the slicing side of things was fun to fine-tune/figure out.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:08 AM - daniel871: What with X/Z tilted on an angle and Y basically being normal to how it usually is.
    Jun 23, 2017 9:11 AM - daniel871: It's almost as interesting to watch as that weirdo 3d printer that uses an oscillating turn-table like mechanism for X/Y and has the printhead on the Z-axis. Seems like slicing would be really complicated for that as well.
    Jun 23, 2017 10:00 AM - Geof: I talked with that guy. He has a "Model Warper" software that makes everything angled so it slices right in S3D for his printer. Everything is very "unique" to that machine (blackbelt) and yes I agree...way overpriced and a whole new set of issues to try to figure out printing everything "overhanged". Wont be the same resolution were use to seeing on FDM machiens.
    Jun 23, 2017 10:00 AM - Geof: machines***
    Jun 23, 2017 12:21 PM - daniel871: It is a pretty neat approach to having a "stationary" build plate with XY&Z movements mostly being done on the hotend.
    Jun 23, 2017 12:25 PM - daniel871: Short of going full multi-axis robotic arm holding a hotend.
    Jun 23, 2017 12:31 PM - OutsourcedGuru: It's a little surprising to see the 45° slicing
    Jun 23, 2017 12:31 PM - OutsourcedGuru: I worry though that any personal education and tweaking that you've put into your favorite slicer is now lost
    Jun 23, 2017 12:33 PM - OutsourcedGuru: @Daniel I wouldn't rule out the C2, however
    Jun 23, 2017 12:34 PM - OutsourcedGuru: opposing press-down rollers left and right, feed and take-up rollers for the "black belt"-now-cut, and slack control on both sides
    Jun 23, 2017 12:35 PM - OutsourcedGuru: Again, I'm not looking for tall parts, just long ones
    Jun 23, 2017 1:38 PM - daniel871: Well, the problem again there is that you're still limited to the original build area. All that a setup like that is good for on a build like the C2 (assuming you eliminate any issues with the conveyer introducing backlash into the system) is that it's only good for sequential printing of parts that fit inside the build space.
    Jun 23, 2017 1:38 PM - daniel871: Now, if you can figure out a way to do to the C2 what some folks have done to the Ultimaker, that's a different story.
    Jun 23, 2017 1:40 PM - daniel871: http://www.rooiejoris.nl/z-unlimited/
    Jun 23, 2017 1:40 PM - daniel871: For reference
    Jun 23, 2017 1:41 PM - OutsourcedGuru: ha. was just googlin for that
    Jun 23, 2017 1:41 PM - OutsourcedGuru: holy crap, that's awsome
     

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