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Testing BluPrint (finally)

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  1. mark tomlinson

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    Blame me, not @Printed Solid for the delay... he got it here on time, I was just ... busy, yeah.. that's the ticket busy ;)

    So I finally got some on the feed and tested it.
    In full disclosure mine is a beta, with the replacement linear bed and an E3D v5 with a volcano.

    The specs suggested were:
    Printing Temperature: 265°C - 270°C
    Print Speed: ABS speeds
    Retraction: 0.5mm nozzle = 2.5mm
    Print bed: Hot- Glass heated to 95°C
    Hot - PEI heated to 90C
    Cold- Clean BuildTak

    For me the best bed temp was actually closer to 80-85 and the print temp was far less than quoted. At 265 it was too stringy and the edges were crap. However at 245... it was starting to get really nice and at 230 it was golden. No stringing and well defined, clear cut edges. I also did not change my print speed at all, so this may have also affected the print behavior somewhat.

    Given the strength and thermal properties of this I am going to never need to touch ABS again. This did NOT, BTW, have any tendency to warp or curl even as I tested at lower bed temps (down to 70). It was also very wet filament, lots of steam bubbles. I will put it in with some desiccant for the future.

    I suspect the big difference in the stated versus actual best temperatures is all on the volcano.
    Regardless, test your spools before you depend on the spec to be right.
     
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  2. David Sparrow

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    What makes this material interesting to you? I'm never printed abs so I really can't compare.
     
  3. mark tomlinson

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    From the Taulman page:

    BluPrint:

    BluPrint is a “specialty” material and has a Tg of 110C+ but with a print temp of only 265C. Prints on warm (45C) BuildTak and on clean glass heated to ~92C. Also prints on heated PIE sheets set to 55C. BluPrint is a semi-clear material of ~ 84% transmission. Like all taulman3D materials, BluPrint is a 100% bonding layer to layer polymer when printed at defined temperatures. A significant advantage of BluPrint is that when paired with the new E3D Volcano hotend, users and industry can print at speeds of 44mm/s with a 1mm nozzle and .46mm layer. As layer and nozzle size go down, speeds increase as expected to 120mm/s with a .4mm nozzle. BluPrint will allow designers to 3D Print parts that will take high heat for outdoor use such as part replacements for Autos, Boats and Aircraft.

    The material has a tensile strength of 6000 psi (41.4 MPa) and an ultimate elongation of 138%. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the material for food contact. It can be used to 3d print parts that will take high heat for outdoor use.
     
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    For me I would say the print behavior (i.e. non-warp) and the temperature tolerance after printing are the big things. The strength and food safety are just nice add-ons.
     
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    But how much does it cost?
     
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  7. Printed Solid

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    My price will be $33. If you want two of them, I'd snap up those Amazon spools though because it is quite a bit below the contractual minimum advertised price for this material, so it won't last long.
     
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    Done.

    It's a good thing I got a cabinet from Sam's specifically for storing spools of filament.
     
  9. John Chuprinko

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    So far for small parts BluPrint are great. However I am now trying to print a larger (155mm x 190mm) custom electronic component box I am now having the print pull away from the glass bed at the corners. My setting are 255C on hexagon and 95C on bed with a print speed of 40mm and the fan on after 3 layers. These setting worked great on small pieces and on the box sides (which were approx 55 x 155 x 2.5). I could try a lower extruder temperature but a lower bed setting seem counter intuitive. Has anybody tried leaving the fan off? Or would a faster print speed help (I know Taulman indicates I could go a lot faster with the .4 nozzle.
     
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    Mine printed best at 230, but in the interest of full disclosure, I use a volcano on the Robo and that tends to mean I have to use lower extrusion temperatures. It was best for me at 225-230, but even in your case I wouldn't think dropping it a little would be a disaster.

    I was able to use the bed closer to 80c as well. That you could try -- our bed heaters should be similar :)
     
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    Hi John, Do you mean bluprint or 910?
     
  12. John Chuprinko

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    I am currently trying BluPrint but I just purchased a reel of 910 which I will try next, not sure what setting I will initially try with 910. If you have some, it would be appreciated to have a starting point

    Once I get done printing some new filament feeder supports in PLA (I was able to get a nice stainless rod with locking end plates from a machine that being disassembled at work) I will try BluPrint at 240C and 80C and keep the fan off for more bottom layers.

    Also kudos to Robo support for promptly replacing my hex extruder which started to leak very bad after a month of heavy use. I hope that this is not a recurring problem. I am new to this (two months) so I have a lot to learn. It has been a challenge learning Cubify Design and all the issues with 3D printing but I think I am making progress. I have finalized the design of the custom electronic component box and have a good sample made with ColorFab XT and now exploring different filament types to determine which type would be the best (I am currently staying away from ABS as I don't have good ventilation for the printer).
     
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    awesome @John Chuprinko . I always like seeing people experiment with different material options. I had just recalled seeing your name on that 910 order (we don't get many chuprinkos:)) from a little bit ago so I figured I would at least ask. I actually still have not gotten around to doing anything with the bluprint. I will put that on my to do list this weekend and then hopefully post for sale shortly thereafter if I'm happy with it.
     
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    Love me some Alloy910. It is a really nice filament.
    Not sure my settings would be of much use unless you are also running an E3D volcano.
     

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