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Acetone vapor polishing

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  1. Seshan

    Seshan Active Member

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    I was going to post this, you beat me to it, :mad: :p

    Seems like a easy way to smooth out ABS, to bad it doesn't work with PLA.
     
  2. JDM_

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    This is a great link... Using this process with vapors instead of giving the object a bath in acetone seems a lot less wasteful. With this process you are only using a small amount of acetone. I imagine you have to discard the acetone after giving the ABS a bath in it. For example you wouldn't want to dip white ABS in acetone after black ABS had been in it.... Great link!
     
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    I saw this and was amazed at the end result I wonder what the fumes are like
     
  4. David Mortlock

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    Pretty nasty I would expect
     
  5. JDM_

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    Defiantly use proper safety precautions when doing this. Ventilation, Proper respirator, ect.... I would not do this in the house.
     
  6. David Mortlock

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    Advice from our chemist at work is to do this outside or in a fume cupboard. He says that he wouldn't want to do it at all as Acetone is pretty nasty stuff to be playing with.
     
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    I just thought of a few ideas for smaller pieces probably less than 8 inches in length in any direction. I used something like this for cleaning my RC Airplane engine and it was amazing but that is a different story it is the vessel I am thinking about...a crockpot or pressure cooker to seal in vapors for a time frame of only 5-10 minutesI do not think the pressure would be an issue in a pressure cooker but a small lid to a jar to hold a small amount of acetone a small screen elevated above the acetone where you place the object warm it up and you are good to go.

    Anybody see problems with this.

    sort of inline with the smoothing station by Matthias
     
  9. Printed Solid

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    I've started playing around with this acetone vapor polishing. Personally, I don't like the way it looks, but most of what I like printing is fine detail work. I tried it on something like my avatar and it was horrible. About 8 minutes in a pint size sealed jar with a tablespoon of acetone. Yes, probably asking for a small explosion, but that's why I limited it to 1 tablespoon.

    I've also been experimenting with printing patterns or images around the perimeter of small cylinders to sell as beads. So far, I say 'meh'. We'll see. If I make something good I'll post it.

    I did try it on my shell (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:53559) and it gave a cool effect. I'm also making mold blanks for a customer and he loves it, so I guess it just depends on the part.
     
  10. tesseract

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    I was wondering how much shrinkage you see if any I was thinking about using it on the cap pieces for my CUBORG. I was actually going to insert some unused filament into the label area that actually spells CUBORG and then vapor polish the whole thing hopefully effectively slight melting the filament into place. I was also wondering about how it would fit right now the tolerance is pretty tight. I was also thinking of doing just the part that was visible. so if I made a base the part could actually assemble into but made from PLA which the acetone won't touch then only the outside would be directly in contact with the fumes and hopefully not lose as much from the original size specification.
     
  11. Printed Solid

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    First, I guess as a general update from post #10. I vapor polish nearly everything I make now. I use the Presto fryer from the solidoodle forum. It takes a little bit of care and quick reaction, but you can definitely get great results. As long as your detail isn't too super fine, you also can keep some good detail.

    I haven't tried polishing anything with particularly tight tolerances, so not sure how it would turn out. The material does swell rather than shrink.

    Don't confuse PLA not being acetone 'vapor polishable' with PLA being chemically resistant to acetone. Your PLA will be pretty messed up if vapor polish it with acetone. Try soaking a piece of PLA filament in acetone for a while and see what happens. Vapor polishing will do the same thing, but much much faster.
     
  12. tesseract

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    I was simply going to uses it as a cover for the the under side of the ABS top cap piece so it would not be affected by the acetone vapor. I would like the polish only on the outside portion the under side will never be seen and that is where the pins and slide reside so they can be attached I actually would not care what happens to the PLA as long as I could use for a base several times but maybe I should try some other idea to mask the bottom side of the cap pieces.
     
  13. Electrocutioner

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    I actually prefer DMC (dimethyl chloride) for polishing. Its much faster and it anneals the abs to make the structure much stronger. I did some destructive testing and dmc treated abs is just as strong in shear and strain as injection moulding. Works awesome for gears etc.
     
  14. tesseract

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    Electro is DMC something we can get without having a permit or anything????? LOL????what are its characteristics I am assuming just as flammable etc. will we need a chemical suit to use it is the process the same not a chemist so I don't know.
     
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    I'd be interested in looking at your test results if you can share. I've seen a few descriptions of people planning on doing destructive testing and analysis on 3D printed parts, but I haven't seen any results published yet.

    Even just some dogbone testing with different infills, shells, layer heights and temperatures would be neat, but if you've done something like that where you're also adding in factors of vapor polishing with different solvents and annealing profiles, I think that would be a really interesting read.
     
  16. 1d1

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    Wikipedia: DCM's volatility and ability to dissolve a wide range of organic compounds makes it a useful solvent for many chemical processes. Concerns about its health effects have led to a search for alternatives in many of these applications.[1]
    It is widely used as a paint stripper and a degreaser. In the food industry, it has been used to decaffeinate coffee and tea as well as to prepare extracts of hops and other flavorings.[2] Its volatility has led to its use as an aerosol spray propellant and as a blowing agent for polyurethane foams.
    Specialized uses [edit]

    The chemical compound's low boiling point allows the chemical to function in a heat engine that can extract mechanical energy from small temperature differences. An example of a DCM heat engine is the drinking bird. The toy works at room temperature.
    DCM chemically welds certain plastics. For example, it is used to seal the casing of electric meters. Often sold as a main component of plastic welding adhesives, it is also used extensively by model building hobbyists for joining plastic components together. It is commonly referred to as "Di-clo."
    It is used in the garment printing industry for removal of heat-sealed garment transfers, and its volatility is exploited in novelty items: bubble lights and jukebox displays.
    DCM is used in the material testing field of civil engineering; specifically it is used during the testing of bituminous materials as a solvent to separate the binder from the aggregate of anasphalt or macadam to allow the testing of the materials.[3]

    However, toxic stuff. Read up on all that before using...
     
  17. tesseract

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    thanks 1d1 that helps alot I keep forgetting about wikipedia
     
  18. Electrocutioner

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    Actually DCM (Dmc is a typo) is non flammable so yet another advantage over acetone.
     
  19. Electrocutioner

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    Good point on tox. DCM is very quickly metabolized by the liver into C0. Uptake through skin is quite rapid and you really don't want to breath the vapor. normal toxicity pathway is via C0 poisioning.

    So don't go bathing in the stuff and use nitryl gloves.

     
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