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Unresolved After Robo3D Z-axis lead screw update Z-axis reverse

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  1. Shigemal

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    Hello folks, I have trouble with Z-axis reverse issue.
    Now I have updated my robo3d R1(almost R1 but it was based on kickstarter model).
    My final update is applying lead screw update on Z-axis with auto level.
    Today I have received parts and applied it accordingly.
    Z-axis down operation makes it upper elevation.
    Is it wiring issue ?
    I have checked connection as before.
    Motor cable connection is same as other X-Y axis.

    regards
    Shigemal
     
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    You have the wire that connects the Stepper motor to the RAMPS on backwards for that axis.
    If you connect them backwards the stepper will run backwards. Flip it around.
     
  3. Shigemal

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    Hello Mark
    Thanks for your comment.
    It looks direction issue is miss understanding of new firmware or setting with autolevel.
    I had used Mattercontrol old one that shows autolevel setting on menu. (V1.3)
    I had checked autolevel and also firmware has been updated through mattercontrol.
    Firmware was picked up from below URL that was written in guide page of lead screws update.
    http://download.robo3d.com/firmware/R1/ROBO3DR1V3_06112015.hex.zip

    Now I have updated Mattercontrol with v1.4.
    I cannot see any autolevel setting on mattercontrol.
    And also no firmware update setting on it.

    Current Robo3D behavior with above condition.
    X-reset --> works
    Y-reset --> works
    Z-reset --> buzzing and stop with time past as few 10 seconds.

    Z-down makes down when manually Z-axis elevate up but scale is not matched as large distance.

    Any guide for it ?

    regards
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    Hello Mark
    Thanks for your comment.
    1 point I need to get from you.
    Firmware update using with current similar Robo3D R1 with lead screw's update.
    Can you give me right file set URL ?
    So far HEX file does not match with current HW as down scale.
    I shall survey update method with Arduino and Mattercontrol team.
    regards
    Shigemal
     
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    Hello Mark
    Thanks for your guide.
    I shall update firmware manually. And comeback to here.

    regards
     
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    Dear team
    I could updated new firmware from Arduino IDE now.
    And it has been fixed for X and Y axis as right direction .
    (Original code has wrong for Y).
    But Z-axis movement does not work with buzzing noise.
    It looks motor could not be turn current drain.
    I had tried with manually turn for home and buzzing has stopped.
    Can you comment on next direction ?

    regards
     
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    That sounds like the stepper driver on the RAMPS is not working correctly or out of tune.
    You can try tuning that specific one or replace it (I would still tune a new one).

    (this is called the POTS calibration)

    This will show you which stepper driver to look at (the one marked "Z"--bottom right in this layout):

    ramps1-4connectors.png

    instructions for tuning the stepper driver are here:
    http://bootsindustries.com/portfolio-item/pots-adjustments/

    or another version here:
    http://reprap.org/wiki/Pololu_stepper_driver_board#Tuning_motor_current
     
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    Hello Mark

    Driver has not been changed from before but stepping motor has been replaced with upgrade kit, so control parameters are required tuned for it.
    I shall take way on this weekend again.

    Thanks.
    Shigemal
     
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    Good luck. It could be a bad RAMPS board -- we did have one die that way.
    I would suggest you rule out everything else first.
     
  12. Shigemal

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    Dear Mark
    I could drive Z-axis with your suggestion.
    And now I am trying to perform Auto level update using with following firmware.
    http://guide.robo3d.com/Wiki/ROBO_3D_Firmware_Release_Notes (Lead Screw Upgrade Firmware).
    It has 2 ino file but I had chosen marlin.ino .
    It looks Auto Level adjustment work with some condition.
    I cannot determine failure case of it.
    I believe during 9point Auto Level adjustment Head/Extruder unit position makes unbalance for Auto level sensor.
    Behavior shows Auto level measurement does not down correctly,
    Sticky behavior makes wrong zero detection.
    In case of success on measurement then it works fine.
    Do you have any idea for making stable measurement ?

    regards
    Shigemal
     
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    The most common cause of failure is one or both of the Z axis switches being out of position or being triggered incorrectly.
    You would think with two switches the firmware would look for both to activate, but they are wired in parallel so either one activating is enough to make the machine think the Z axis is 'home'.
     
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    Thanks Mark for your reply
    Actually wrong behavior case Head/ extrude unit's X position cause balance for other side Z axis block.
    It shows like as achieved bottom in middle way.
    I had asserted silicon oil on lead screw (z-axis).

    My concerned solution are following.
    1) X-axis rod replace with stronger one.
    2) Avoiding Z-end stop signal image as big gap on firmware.

    So far I shall monitor frequency of this behavior and make next step.

    regards
    Shigemal
     
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