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Answered S3D auto level issues

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  1. Shane

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    Hey guys,

    So I switched over to Simplify 3d a week ago and ever since ive been having first layer problems. It seams that my auto level isn't calculating correctly. I have no issues when using MC. If needed I can post my communication for the auto level but my final z offset varies from -3.5 to 2.5. I have also notice a line or two before the auto level starts my z-offset is set to -0.8, is this a default and where is that coming from.
     
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    No clue if there is a "default" value. If you did not add the M565 to the startup Gcode block then <shrug>

    You startup GCode should be something like this:
    G28;
    M565 Z-1.0;
    G29;


    Or whatever you need your offset to be. You can't set a global Z offset at the slicer -- not the same
     
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    below you can see the auto levels I did 6 of them. You can see on the first one where is says z:-.80 but again all my values are set to o.oo for offsets. I also added the start Gcode which doesn't include a M565.

    Code:
    SENT: G28 X0 Y0 Z0
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: G29
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80
READ: ok
READ: ok T:25.0 /0.0 B:24.7 /0.0 T0:25.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:25.0 /0.0 B:24.7 /0.0 T0:25.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.82
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.16
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.07
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.08
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.24
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.05
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.67
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.14
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.36
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -0.99
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:0.51
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:0.36
endstops hit:  Z:0.36


SENT: G29
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.93
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.45
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.42
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.49
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.50
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.17
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.78
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.22
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.01
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -1.09
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:0.19
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:-0.01
endstops hit:  Z:-0.01


SENT: G29
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.89
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.93
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.88
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.96
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.95
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.08
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.72
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.53
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.43
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -1.10
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.27
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:-0.43
endstops hit:  Z:-0.43

READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80
READ: ok
READ: ok T:23.5 /0.0 B:23.1 /0.0 T0:23.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:23.5 /0.0 B:23.1 /0.0 T0:23.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:23.5 /0.0 B:23.1 /0.0 T0:23.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:23.5 /0.0 B:23.1 /0.0 T0:23.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: G29
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.90
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.79
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.86
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.93
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.86
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.07
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.72
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.50
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.43
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -1.05
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.30
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:-0.43
endstops hit:  Z:-0.43


SENT: G29
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.58
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: 0.00
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: 0.12
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: 0.02
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.09
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.90
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.54
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.27
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.49
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -0.78
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:0.41
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:0.50
endstops hit:  Z:0.50

READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80
READ: ok
READ: ok T:24.9 /0.0 B:24.7 /0.0 T0:24.9 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:24.9 /0.0 B:24.7 /0.0 T0:24.9 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:24.9 /0.0 B:24.7 /0.0 T0:24.9 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.80
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.15
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.05
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.07
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.22
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.03
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.65
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.16
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.38
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -0.97
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:0.51
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:0.38
endstops hit:  Z:0.38

G28 ; home all axes
G29 ; probe the bed
G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle
G28 ; home all axes
G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle
M109 S[extruder0_temperature] ; set the extruder temp and wait
     
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    Without an M565 you are not applying a Z offset to the autoleveling mechanism.
    The M565 is not a global Z offset it is a Z offset APPLIED to the Z leveling matrix when it is calculated
     
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    If you think something is hung in the flash eprom purge that too.
    In the GCode terminal do an
    M502;
    and then
    M500;
     
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    Do you think that is where this Z number is coming from, the Flash eprom? READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.80
    So if I use M502 and M500 it should clear that number out then I can use the M565 0.?? to adjust the calculation of the auto level as needed?
    Sorry for all the questions just trying to understand the processes, instead of just typing stuff in.
     
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    If you clear the flash eprom you are certain that it is using only defaults from the firmware. Nothing "left over" from previous use.
     
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    ok so I did all that then when I homed all the last line shows z-0.90. Then here is another auto level.

    Code:
    SENT: M502

READ: echo:Hardcoded Default Settings Loaded

Hardcoded Default Settings Loaded

READ: ok

SENT: M105

READ: ok T:25.4 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.4 /0.0 @:0 B@:0

SENT: M105

READ: ok T:25.5 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0

SENT: M105

READ: ok T:25.5 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0

SENT: M500

SENT: M105

READ: echo:Settings Stored

Settings Stored

READ: ok

READ: ok T:25.5 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.5 /0.0 @:0 B@:0



SENT: G28 X0 Y0 Z0

READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.90 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.90


SENT: G29
READ: echo:Home X/Y before Z
Home X/Y before Z
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: ok T:25.0 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
READ: ok T:25.0 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
READ: ok T:25.0 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.0 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: G28 X0 Y0 Z0
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.90 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:-0.90
READ: ok
READ: ok T:25.1 /0.0 B:24.8 /0.0 T0:25.1 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
READ: ok T:25.1 /0.0 B:24.8 /0.0 T0:25.1 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
READ: ok T:25.1 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.1 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: M105
READ: ok T:25.1 /0.0 B:25.0 /0.0 T0:25.1 /0.0 @:0 B@:0
SENT: G29
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.93
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.25
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 20.00 z: -0.15
SENT: M105
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.15
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 125.00 z: -0.31
SENT: M105
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 125.00 z: -1.13
READ: Bed x: 15.00 y: 230.00 z: -0.75
READ: Bed x: 110.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.08
READ: Bed x: 205.00 y: 230.00 z: 0.30
READ: Eqn coefficients: a: 0.00 b: 0.00 d: -1.10
READ: planeNormal x: -0.00 y: -0.00 z: 1.00
READ: X:205.00 Y:230.00 Z:-0.90 E:0.00 Count X: 205.00 Y:230.00 Z:0.46
READ: ok
SENT: M105
READ: echo:endstops hit:  Z:0.31
endstops hit:  Z:0.31
     
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    Ignoring all of the printer responses, what does the first layer look like?
    Is it correct?
     
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    The resulting Z offset it calculates may be anything (well, anything between the highest and lowest Z probe values, with offset adjustment)
    Show me your startup GCode block (copy/paste it in here). Let's just be sure you have that correct and that it is printing correct.
     
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    no that's my issue it is still printing to close to the bed which jams the nozzle causing my filament to strip sometimes. If it does print even tho it is squished a 10x10 test square comes out quite nice and measures 10.17 mm on the bottom half. Its just the jamming is killing me. I would add a z code offset but my auto level numbers have varied I cant have a set number.
     
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    G28 ; home all axes

    G29 ; probe the bed

    G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle

    G28 ; home all axes

    G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle

    M109 S[extruder0_temperature] ; set the extruder temp and wait
     
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    Well, without an offset it will be smashed to the bed.
    P.S. You do realize that after every G28 that value can be discarded?
    You need to have ONE G28 and then an M565 and the G29;
     
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    No I didn't know that, what would I use to wipe my nozzle for any oozing before the print starts.
     
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    If you are doing it manually just do this:

    G28 ; home all axes
    G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift Z by 5mm to clear it from ooze
    M565 Z-1.0 ; set the offset for auto-leveling mechanism
    G29 ; run auto-level

    When it lifts, pick it off.
     
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    You do not have to re-home after the Z lift since the autoleveling sequence (the G29) will reset the Z for you
     
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    You could also do it this way:

    G28; home all axes
    G1 Z5 F5000 ; lift nozzle
    G28; Home Z again in case there was filament on nozzle
    M565 Z-1.0
    G29 ; probe the bed

    Lot s of options
     
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    Is there anything entered under 'Global G-Code Offsets' on the G-Code tab in the Process you are using? I think S3D adds whatever value is listed here to all Z settings in the G-Code (instead of applying it as a startup G-Code command). I use S3d also and I set everything Z- offset related to '0' in S3D and set it in firmware only. Never could make sense of it through S3D.
     
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    No I have everything offset wise in S3D at 0. I think adding the M565 Z-1.0 helped. It is still lower then I would like but it seams like it just depends now on how much the left side of my bed flexes when the points push on it. I may just print a block and put it under the bed just to brace it.
     
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    More negative -> further from the bed. Try -1.1
     
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