1. Got a question or need help troubleshooting? Post to the troubleshooting forum or Search the forums!

Pls Help :( Seems my extruder is working in reverse

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting' started by anoble66, Mar 29, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    Hi All,

    I am not having much luck at all with this printer. First a cracked bed and now I think I have found another issue.....this one I have no idea how to fix myself. When I hit the "extrude" button my extruder actually turns in reverse - anti-clockwise. If I hand turn the gear clock wise as it should work, I can feed through the filament. I found another similar post whereby the arduino extruder connection was reversed, I checked mine and it looks correct. Please can someone check out the pics attached and see if you can spot anything?

    I really hope this is something I can fix myself and not have to send the entire printer back.



    Thanks again

    20140329_143913.jpg 20140329_142153.jpg 20140329_142153.jpg

    Adam
     
  2. tesseract

    tesseract Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,924
    Likes Received:
    533
    Yes it should be easy in your first picture you see aconnector going to what is labeled E0 at the bottom of the picture that is the extruder motor connection it should be oriented just like the motor connection for Z and X Y is normally the only one reversed in the pic it looks like it is oriented backward like the Y which is why it is going backward simply reverse the orientation of that E0 connector so the blue lead is on the opposite side by rotating it 180 degrees and plugging it back in
     
  3. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    Thanks Tesseract. I already did try reversing the e0 connector but then I did not get any power at all to the extruder.

    Let me try again.
    Thanks
     
  4. tesseract

    tesseract Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,924
    Likes Received:
    533
    reversing that connector should only reverse the motor it should work either direction so if it did not run at all you may have mis connected it it should be oriented the same as the plugs for X and Z.


    Y is supposed to be reversed
     
  5. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    I have it working now tesseract, I think when I switched it the first time I *may* of connected it to the e1 port by mistake :) It's now working and I am busy printing some calibration objects. I don't think my print head must be far enough on the bed as it starts off printing but then fails as the height builds. Once the 2yr old gets to bed time for some more testing!

    thanks again for your help, really is appreciated.
     
    3 people like this.
  6. mark tomlinson

    mark tomlinson ༼ つ ◕_ ◕ ༽つ
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2013
    Messages:
    23,915
    Likes Received:
    7,338
    The single largest learning curve on this printer is figuring out when the Z axis is where it needs to be as the objects start printing. Once you master that, it is so much easier :)

    tesseract has a lot of good data here on the forums on how to make this happen.
     
    3 people like this.
  7. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    I made a bit more progress yesterday! Hot end became completely clogged up, probably due to the extruder working in reverse. Anyway I took that off and cleaned it all out and now it's working like I imagined it should. I also noticed the hot end was slightly twisted in it's mount, so corrected that. So I think I am now getting the skirt and 1st layer down nice and flat. I am printing a calibration cube. But as the build get's higher, I see a wobble on the left had side of the cube, guess as the head moves up the z-axis. Eventually it becomes a total mess. I am away for a few days so can't post a pic but from my description does it still sound like a bed level issue or something else going on with the z-axis? I am not sure I am ever going to get totally calibrated correctly until my replacement glass bed arrives. My current bed is glued and taped and I would imagine a little warped from the stress break.

    thanks
     
  8. AutopsyTurvy

    AutopsyTurvy Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2013
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    152
    A bed level issue would be more likely to show the worst down at the bottom, and get better as the z height rises.

    Are the black supports at the base of the smooth z rods nice and stable? There should be no cracks, flex, or movement.

    My guess is if you're only seeing it along one side of the object, it would more likely be a matter of the X belt being a bit too tight or too loose. When correctly tightened, it should make a very low twanging note, like a guitar string. You seem to have an actual belt tightener on yours (did that come with it? the older ones didn't...) which might be adjustable... or if the belt is still held on with zip ties as it is in the older models, you can try tightening it up a notch, or snip the tie and replace it with a new one and make it a little looser, if it's too tight.
     
  9. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    Thanks, I will check the z-rod holder when I am back home, I did not notice any flex or cracks etc. One thing I would say is the threaded z-rods do seem to have a lot of movement. I was expecting a bit at the top, but mine have movement all the way down. I know a lot of that can be corrected with the z-rod top holders. My robo did come with that little tensioner you can see in the pic. But the belt is certainly not that tight at all. I can pluck it and it won't make any kind of twanging noise etc. So I will try tightening that a little first. Thanks!
    Adam
     
  10. AutopsyTurvy

    AutopsyTurvy Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2013
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    152
    The threaded rods having some movement is not really much of an issue, since the threaded rods only control the height, but the smooth rods are what actually keep everything nice and stable, if that makes sense... and there's enough play in the plastic of the carraige around the threaded rods to account for this natural wobble so you don't actually see it translate into the prints.

    When you tighten, only tighten -just- until it starts to make a low thwwoooong note, and no further. Too tight is just as bad as too loose, and can damage the motor. You can tighten a little bit, see how it goes, and then tighten a bit more if needed. :)
     
  11. anoble66

    anoble66 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    17
    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS :) I have finally been able to print something and I am pretty pleased with how this turned out. I was beginning to lose hope. But after 1 broken glass bed, 1 reversed extruder motor, 1 reversed z stop switch and 2 blocked extruders.....I printed a shark :) It was all worth it to see this printer finally in action, now to print it's upgrades :)

    20140403_221904.jpg
     
    2 people like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page