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  1. tesseract

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    I know the ROBO comes with a .4mm extruding tip and I have just ordered an all metal hotend due to arrive in about a week it also comes with the .4mm extruding tip also BUT in addition I can also order a .3mm .2mm and .1mm tip as an addon. What implications will there be by going to a smaller extrusion tip I know it is a software parameter in the repetier software rec'd for the ROBO but are there any other changes I will have to consider.

    An assumption I am making at this point is that printing will be slower but much more detail will be achieved.

    can anyone foresee or know about any other changes I need to consider such as the filament being able to go through a smaller opening at all because of its density etc..
     
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    I'm interested in this also! haha
     
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    you will have a more finer detail print with a smaller nozzle, but with that come other issues.

    you have to calibrate your machine to it also.

    slower print will help increase accuracy and print quality.

    if you dont need the detail a bigger nozzle will allow faster prints and less detail
     
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    What is the smallest you'd go Cambo?
     
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    i haven't used anything smaller than .4 yet.
     
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    Whats the largest you've used?
     
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    The Repetier settings allows you to set the nozzle opening size do you think that is all the calibration you will need. I did understand about the slower printing. the reason I was wondering is that I saw you print of the pyramid and was really amazed by the quality of that print in the pic it almost looked as if it had been extruded and that really impressed me.
    If all it takes is to setup a different profile in repetier with only software changes I will definitely be doing that. I imagine your pyramid was done in the .4 nozzle but the edges were amazingly straight and even I can only imagine a .2 or .1 mm nozzle and what that would look like.

    What other changes do you think may have to be made??
     
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    yes the pyramid was on a .4 nozzle using the ed3 hotend. it was a big difference in quality from a .5 nozzle. corners were more sharper and detailed.

    calibration is both software and machine.
     
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    what kind of machine calibration is required would it be some kind of filament feed rate though I would think that would be software as well
     
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    printing temperature, making sure your bed is level(more so at finer prints) those are the two that come off the top my head.
     
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    temp WOW I never would have thought about that one
    no I am trying to figure if it increase or decreases hmmmmm
    increase because it takes longer to put the next layer down and makes it more viscous so it can go through the smaller opening maybe
    decrease hmmmm thought I had for decrease so I guess it increases right
     
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    I kind of dropped bed leveling cuz mine is going to be PERFECTLY LEVEL anyway !!!!! LOL
     
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    with decrease in size the required extruder pressure goes up by the inverse square. so you need an extruder that can push that filament through. In my experience, 1.75mm is very hard to get enough of a grip on to do anything much smaller than .3
     
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    thanks Electro looks like I will probably stick with the .4mm for the time being
     
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    FWIW, Afinia's website says they use a .15mm nozzzle (or it did at one point), and they were ranked easiest to set up in the 2012 Make magazine 3D printer guide. I've always assumed it was an error on the web page and that they're using .4 like most everyone else.
     
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    Doubling the size of the nozzle would make it print 2 times faster with current settings (multiplied by 50% for flow and speed or leave speed the same and multiply the flow by 2 ? I am getting lost already)
     
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    .15 would take days to print anything holy crap.
     
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    LOL and question at the same time.
    How could crap be holy ?
    Unless it comes from a holy cow in India, which in its self is a total crap if you ask me :)
     
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    What do you think comes from the pope :)
     
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