1. Got a question or need help troubleshooting? Post to the troubleshooting forum or Search the forums!

UM....

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting' started by Harry, Jul 21, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Harry

    Harry Team ROBO 3D
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    180
  2. CAMBO3D

    CAMBO3D New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    296
    well im doomed... i guess i need to add some sort of air filtration in my printing room.. just to add some sort of protection.
     
  3. tesseract

    tesseract Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,924
    Likes Received:
    533
    I can't tell from the article but what is the actual source of the particle emission. Is it the extrusion point? Is it the compression of the filament when moved by the extruder mechanism(hobbed bolt & bearings)? Is it cooling fans blowing on the parts? It would be nice to know this so we can develop an accurate filtration setup such as a fan pulling air away from the extruder parts and passed through a filter, if the extruder parts are the cause.
     
  4. CAMBO3D

    CAMBO3D New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    296
    well anything that emits a smell, is particle emission but not all are harmful. If you can smell it, your sensing those particles entering your body.

    there have been other tests on the safety of 3d printing. Which talk about how safe the fumes are from 3d printing. all came to the conclusion that it was generally safe. These fumes are the same particle emissons these guys are talking about. I see no difference but its good to be cautious for your own well being.
     
  5. CAMBO3D

    CAMBO3D New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    296
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013005086

    "Moreover, ultrafine particles (UFPs: particles less than 100 nm) may be of particular importance for toxicity of fumes emitted from melting of some thermoplastics. For example, in a previous study of high temperature melting of PTFE at ∼480°C, UFPs with a count median diameter of 18 nm were produced, which were also shown to be highly toxic to rats (Oberdörster et al., 1995)."

    looks like the ufp there talking about is the actual melting of the the filament during extrusion.
     
  6. Jacob B.

    Jacob B. New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    12
    From the article:

    Bolded emphasis mine.
    So, yeah, 3d printing is as harmful as cooking. Something that millions of people spend ~1hr or more a day doing.
    I think we'll be fine.
    Either that, or I should set up an air scrubber next to my Wok. ;)
     
  7. CAMBO3D

    CAMBO3D New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    296
    they way the word that research makes it seem like they discovered something new.
     
  8. JDM_

    JDM_ New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    145
    Eggs are good for you..... Wait they are bad for you...... New research shows eggs are good for you...... And the debate goes on.
    I am glad I moved my printer to the garage. Don't have to worry about this as much.
     
  9. Harry

    Harry Team ROBO 3D
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    180
    haha. Same JDM_, glad to have my printer in my garage not house.
     
    2 people like this.
  10. polylac

    polylac New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2013
    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    21
  11. tesseract

    tesseract Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,924
    Likes Received:
    533
    OMG combining the 3dprinter particles AND the LA smog....That's it I'm done for...
     
    2 people like this.
  12. Harry

    Harry Team ROBO 3D
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    180
    Yea, Jeff I don't think we have a worse combo...
     
  13. Peter Krska

    Peter Krska Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    229
    Did anyone consider that some of your fav fast food has plastic as a food source? Like some cheese on your pizza or your 2 minute noodles. Possibly is made of plastic according to some claims.

    I do not think melted plastic is good to breath in. So some caution is in store. Anyone working on an enclosure?

    I am more concerned that Fukushima is radiating the pacific and the world.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  14. polylac

    polylac New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2013
    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    21
    nope, because plastic is usually not digestable it comes out as it comes in, you would recognise this some times after eating ;)

    fukushima won't radiate the world, nor the pacific (unless there happens something new really bad)
    at the time it's an horrible thing but local.

    if you want to worry about some thing: poison in clothes, additives in food, cosmetics, plastic additives in food, hormones in the water, arsen, cadmium, lead, uranium in the water (some also in food because of industrial fertilizer)
    or maybe that we have less and lesse usable antibiotics...
    or global warming (this is of course more a future thing thant the others are).


    back on topic: some have or had plans for enclosure, but open the window regularly should work as well.
     
  15. Peter Krska

    Peter Krska Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    229
    Would an enclosure ever get too hot? What would the issue be using an enclosure? Considering that you have a heated bed, heated extruder. It would be like Saudi Arabia in the summer time in there.

    Since the filament is hot and needs to cool, I wonder if there could be problems with melting and falling or warping?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  16. polylac

    polylac New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2013
    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    21
    it gets warm depends on how close it is.
    but warping should be no problem, that's why you have a heat bed after all, that it stays hot
    but it could bend (PLA) if it gets to hot.

    so maybe you need a cooling system oder fresh air inside
    make a search vor enclosure in the forum
     
  17. Racegrafix

    Racegrafix Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    62
    I heard every time you print a yoda head it takes 2 hours of your life.





    (3 if you use high quality with supports) ;)
     
    2 people like this.
  18. AutopsyTurvy

    AutopsyTurvy Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2013
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    152
    Sweet, I've never printed a Yoda head - I'm gonna live forever!
     
    3 people like this.
  19. Printed Solid

    Printed Solid Volunteer Admin
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2013
    Messages:
    1,605
    Likes Received:
    1,003
    Finally, some sanity comes to this thread :)
    Topsy, that is some fabulous logic!
    I've made lots of really tiny yodas. What does that mean?
     
  20. Racegrafix

    Racegrafix Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    62
    That means you better start printing some Chuck Norris heads to turn back the hands of time.
     
    2 people like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page