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Solved (Robo3D R1) Extruder Not heating Past 192~ C

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  1. DomPruss

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    Hey Everyone!

    So I've been tasked with repairing a Robo 3D R1 for my professor. It worked very well last year until someone was printing something with ABS, and somehow cracked the extruder tip. Now I have to either go to the maker's space on campus and pay to wait weeks for them to print things, or repair this one. We've received a new extruder tip, and installed it and got to testing it.

    Everything seems to work, but the extruder is not heating past 192~ C. I have taken off the bottom plate, ensured all the wires are seated well, and I've re-seated all them, making sure none of them are loose or had dust or something ruining the connection. I've put the bottom plate back on, and then ensured all the wiring at the top is connected correctly, we plug it in, and everything is working just fine, heat bed works just fine, I can control the position of the extruder just fine, and everything else is just dandy. The only problem is I can't get the extruder tip to heat past 192 C.

    I have read that some people with a similar problem claim it was a problem with the thermistor. I'm not sure where that is located, or what it's supposed to read at if I took a multi-meter to it.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated


    Edit: after doing a time bit more of testing, it's only reading at around 192 C.
     
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    What temperature does the thermistor read cold?
     
  3. DomPruss

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    After plugging it in after being at room temperature it's reading at 191.8 C
     
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    This sounds familiar.
    Are you saying at room temperature (no printer job running, no pre-heating set) it is reading 191.8C?
    Is it actually hot? Be brave and feel if there is any heat coming off it (don't touch it if! it WILL raise a blister).

    I had a bad thermister after changing my first nozzle. I inadvertently busted the wire going to the thermister (it is the smallest of the two wires going to the print head. It was fine before I changed nozzles and I broke it myself learning how to do it.

    I took the thermister out and it read about 0 on the meter. New one read 100 or so.

    I've busted 2 thermisters, it's easy to do until you learn how delicate they are.
     
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    and if it really is an R1 (not an R1+) consider the metal stud version of the thermistor to avoid that in the future.
     
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    Pictures of your printer and the hotend ?
     
  7. DomPruss

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    No Heat is coming off of the extruder. I just triple checked, and all the cables are attached in the right area. Even after unplugging the thermistor it's reading at ~192 C in Matter Control. So i'm thinking it may be a software problem, this printer is older.

    I've attached a picture of the hotend, not the best picture but I've only an older cell phone.

    I've taken off the plastic on the hotend, and ensured that the plastic sleeves on the thermistor is preventing any shorting out, and ensured that it is where it is supposed to be.

    I'm not 100% sure how or why the tip cracked, but since it broke maybe the thermistor is also broken.
     

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    yep R1. So the thermistor is most likely shorted showing the high reading. @mark tomlinson probably knows where a spare can be had?

    I would contact Robo if this is for a school and ask them for the new style hexagon that uses the canistor thermistor, in my opinion it is a better set up and gets rid of that black boot :D

    edit: going to the canistor thermistor does mean you have to buy thermistors from Robo, I cant find an outside source.
     
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    That or just swap to a different hotend that has replacement parts readily available.
    The E3D (as an example) you can buy any part of it if needed.

    The swap to the new hexagon is a cheaper alternative and would as @Geof suggests likely make it last longer.
     
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    @Geof are the canister thermistors 3mm round, if so they are the same as used in some makergear printers
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    AliExpress link (not an endorsement)
     
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    These might also work if I could get someone to answer my questions
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    Im not sure ill measure tonight when i get home
     
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    Well if the brass ones work, they are just under 20 for a set of 5 in quite a few AliExpress stores, never seen them on Amazon (The US branch of the Chinese economy, really;)).
     
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    Yep I looked on amazon and US places, I dont mess with the chinese stores lol. Takes to long to get stuff :D
     
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    Either way you still are buying Chinese made stuff (mostly) and since I buy thermistors 5 to 10 at once I can afford to wait, but I am patient that way as life is too short for the added stress of being otherwise disposed. Same with nozzles and a few other parts too.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies and help so far!

    I talked to my professor, and double checked, the thermistor has definitely shorted, and hopefully that is the only problem, after checking everything else, the only other thing that could be broken is Arduino inside the printer, but one step at a time. My professor said he was a bit rough with the thermistor when he was replacing the hotend, so it's likely that's the problem.

    So my professor asked me to get information on who to contact at Robo, and so i'm back here, if my only option is the Contact Us button at the bottom of the web page, we'll do that.

    For now we're reaching out to some people we know who may have extra thermistors, and replace those ourselves if we can find them.
     
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    Yea, the CONTACT US button is the only sure way to reach them.
     
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    1-844-476-2633 maybe?
     
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    Hey, updating with more information.

    Replaced the Thermistor with a brand new one, and it's still reading extruder temp around ~191 - 192 C.

    The bed temperature still works, and everything else seems to be working, so I'm wondering what else could be causing this reading?
     
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