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  1. Larry H

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    Hi,
    In running the test for under/over extrusion I found for 100mm it's only printing out about 90mm. After I try a atomic pull tonight to clean it if it's still a problem then would setting my extruder multiplier from 1.0 to 1.1 fix the problem since technically it's only extruding at 0.9 or is that a really bad idea?

    thanks
     
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    you should calibrate your extruder.
     
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    Fix it permanently per the video @Geof linked.
     
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  4. Larry H

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    Ok I watched through the video again and I just have one more question. Lol not sure why running a full firmware update on my printer makes me more nervous then when I updated my TV firmware which is why I'm running through the whole process.

    Ok so for example if I get this for a M503 command:
    READ: echo: M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z800.00 E723.38

    I then take (723.38*100)/90 = 803.75

    I can use a M92 command (M92E803.75) to temporarily change the extrusion value and if it works I can use M501 to save the changes out permanently rather then needing to do a full firmware update?

    thanks
     
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    You can store it in eeprom like that. I prefer fixing the issue in the firmware so i dont have to remember about the eeprom.

    Same thing just preference i suppose :)
     
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    Firmware is permanent, EEPROM is 'sticky' (fairly permanent).
    Something like this is better set permanently.
     
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    Ok thanks,
    Yeah after I kept getting M501 when I tried changing the extruder steps per mm setting I think I'll go with Firmware if it's needed.
    I tried an Atomic Pull last night just in case it was that and I was sort of successful. It was either that process cleared something or maybe I had the tension all wrong on the hobbled bolt because it's extruding accurately now.
    I printed a cube and it's a bit better but first 2 top layers were pretty much just extruding in the cube center not connected to the walls I think I kept the layers at 5 or 6 count and the layer height is 1mm

    I saw the bridging multiplier was set to 100% and the help file stated if you lower it that helps with sagging. I set it to around 75% then a little lower for the second one which gave me these results.
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    I tried upping the outer overlap by 5% which gave me this.
    IMG_7244.JPG
    still thin on the top but when I opened it up the first layers look better then they had.
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    Could it be the temperature is too high for the first few bridging layers and it's just sticking too much? If it's not that I welcome any suggestions as to how to make this better.

    thanks
     
  8. Ryan TeGantvoort

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    Why don't you just use some infill rather than trying to bridge? 10% or even 5% will fix your issues. If you are trying to set your Bridge settings, I would try a different calibration thing first. I used this one to get my settings for PLA bridging: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:12925
     
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  9. Larry H

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    Thank you, I tried the calibration thing from the link you sent and I got this.
    I might try to tweak a few more settings after my next print but the last time I tried printing the bridge calibration was before I got Simplify3D and it wasn't anywhere near this good.
     

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  11. Larry H

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    I just finished up that one, not bad at all. The 70 degree did get a bit wavy but it still worked better then I thought it would. The wavyness could have also been in part from getting up to 82 in the room it was printing.
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    Not too bad, it looks like you have some stringy issues now though! It's a never ending battle!
     
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    Indeed it is, especially where I have my printer it's hard to keep the ambient temperature under 80 and it starts oozing or stringing a bit more. If I tweak the settings I'll probably try the DPrime Test Object to reduce stringing.
     
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    That is an excellent idea :)
     
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    Lol so I found a cooler looking model to try for stringing issue and my real problem with the stringing. Now I did just get Simplify3D not that long ago so still learning everything about it like for example checking both tabs for retraction settings o_O Retraction wasn't turned on at all, which makes that overhang one not too bad considering it wasn't on at all ;)
    I printed this out and there's as few strings on the other sides too.
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    Your top printed a bit hot. Set a minimum layer time so the fan can cool those smaller ones.
     
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    Ok I tried setting the minimum layer time but I was watching the end and it almost looked like the extruder was a hair too low and was pushing the filament around but it's just the top where it happens. Could it be too many top layers or parameters or should I make the layer time shorter?
    thanks
     
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    What is your current setting? I still have the default set at 15 sec and have not had any issues. I can try to print that thing and see what happens. I need something to print tomorrow anyways!
     
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    I would actually make it a bit longer.
    If the extruder were too low it should show up earlier than that.
    It takes a number of seconds for the plastic to cool down and if it is not then the extruder will affect the previous layer.

    Make sure the fan is on 100% by then as well.
     
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    It's at 10 seconds for the second one, I had it at 15 for the first one so I had it backwards and should bump it up to 20 seconds.
    Just wanted to doublecheck the fan speed should stay at 100% after layer 2 because the last layer speed is set to 100% right?
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