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Solved Z axis drop during print R1+

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    Hello and welcome to Z axis drop.

    My issue started after i replaced my thermistator, after everything was done back in it's place I noticed the print was not looking like the way it should.

    Quite a bit of time later - Hand calibrated my z axis, checked my gcode and wire connections, checked my print software Cura. Researched z axis drop online.

    The first layer is good up until layer 3-5 the print head starts riding the print and even jammed to the print bed once while i was checking it. Now I'm thinking it's the stepper motor (3yrs old)
     
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    It is possible that is in the stepper dropping steps, but there are a couple of other possible things to rule out/

    1) Make sure if you reloaded the firmware that you used the exact one for your printer. The Z steps is what is different on the various R1 flavors and if you use the wrong one it could look like you describe.
    2) The stepper motor could be bad and skipping steps
    3) The stepper driver could be bad and dropping steps
    3) The RAMPS board could be bad and dropping steps
    4) In rare cases it could be the Arduino.

    Go down the list and see which one is yours :)
     
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    Stepper motors are cheap
    Stepper drivers are dirt cheap
    RAMPS boards are cheap
    lastly even the Arduino is cheap

    :)
     
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    Thank you, before the thermstator died the printer was working fine. nothing wrong, as for the firmware I haven't changed it, still on robo3d r1+ v3 firmware.

    when playing with the z axis to raise or lower, it works fine.

    will try a test cube today..
     
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    OK, good that eliminates a lot of possible issues :) If it happens only on longer print runs then that makes it more likely heat related and you should focus on the fan under the printer that cools the RAMPS/Arduino and the stepper drivers or stepper motors.

    Honestly I have not had issues with the motors, but I have worked with people who did. That is why I usually leave that for last :) Yours might be a stepper getting hot and dropping steps, but I don't look to that first. The stepper drivers are more likely (and cheaper)
     
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    What kind of fan would you suggest, also still have the bottom cover attached as well on the printer.
     
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    There should be a fan attached to the bottom that cools the RAMPS.
     
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    Yes attached to the bottom cover. should i look at a bigger fan or just replace the orginal?
     
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    Either way. It needs to be working to keep the RAMPS/Arduino cool or weird things will happen
     
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    The direction of the air flow is less important that the fact that there IS some :)
    I can't remember if the R1+ has the air blowing in or out, but towards the electronics is fine.
    I don't have bottom covers on mine and the 3" side mounted fans I do have pull air across the Arduino/RAMPS and out of the case.

    @Geof or @WheresWaldo might be able to answer that
     
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    Blowing at the arduino/ramps board. If you stick a piece of paper under the printer that fan should suck it to the cover :D
     
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    Today I added a 120x120x25mm fan to my printer as an exhaust fan, as for my small fan (making noise, have on the way) it's pushing air at the ardruino board. The issue that I had, was me not plugging the small fan into both prongs when I changed the thermostator.

    Lol, test print going now and it looks good so far.
     
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    yep that would do it :D Amazing what nightmares that little fan can cause
     
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    Even the betas (which had no bottom cover at all) would run hot on the electronics. Usually not to the point of problems, but hotter than was really good. It was smart to add the fan when they added the bottom cover. Without it running however ... and a bottom cover over it ... things will die :)
     
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    @xfire_dragonx My R1 bottom looks just like that with an 80 mm x 15 mm slim fan in place of that ridiculously small 40 mm fan.
     
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    I agree (and I don't even have an R1+ to compare to) I have 3" muffin fans on the betas. That fan on the bottom cover is too small (and too easy to miss if it stops working)
     
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    Thanks everyone, Been checking my fans and air flow is good, just working on this and my guess is the Z offset? 20180604_153514(0).jpg
     
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